50 beowulf AR..opinions on this caliber

[KeltecFan]

I was at one of my local clubs one day and a guy there brought his .50 Beowulf. He offered a trade to let me shoot that and he could shoot my .460V. I should have given him 2 for 1 on the ammo at least. But I have to tell you, I was grinning like hell after shooting it. I still think about getting a .50 Beowulf upper some day. There was one on the EE but I know a CGN site sponsor sent him a PM and never got a response.

Anyway, my opinion is it is expensive, but a whole lot of fun.

 

[Brian46]

So.....you've been approached/hassled by the "authorities" about having or using 50 Beowulf magazines?

Yes, but mags were not in use when stopped, they were AA, and rifle was chambered in 50 that was with me.

Every time it is the same foreshadowing of events if I was to have had a 223 chambered rifle, etc etc and that soon RCMP will have new regulations come to force if not pinned to two like the FRT table states.

If you have access to the FRT table, you can look up #121656. it is the number for a 50 Beowulf rifle, But to save you some time:

The "Canadian Law Comments" section says for FRT #121656.

In the case of AR platform rifles chambered for the 50 Beowulf calibre, the magazine is adapted from the original 5.56x45 NATO version of the magazine but the ability of the magazine to perform as originally designed has not been compromised by the adaption. As a result such magazines are prohibited if they contain more than five 5.56x45 NATO cartridges. The magazines are in effect dual calibre magazines and are prohibited if they exceed five shots capacity of either calibre. An AR platform magazine limited to no more than five 5.56x45 NATO (223 Remington) cartridges will hold no more than two 50 Beowulf cartridges.

 

[Brian46]

I disagree with this, I think all AR's were meant for hunting no matter what caliber it is. But unfortunately we have to live by some ridiculous laws that discriminates these rifles because of it's colour

nothing to do with color.

We cant hunt with it, so saying it is a hunting rifle is a moot point. Buy an ACR and do a caliber conversion, only platform we have that is worth building of off that can be NR

 

[Curtis264]

ACR is not an AR and that is what this whole post is about

 

[Brian46]

ACR is not an AR and that is what this whole post is about

I was replying to your post about AR's being restricted simply because of color which is simply not true. there are many NR black colored rifles, one of those being the ACR.

The CMMG Anvil may have had a chance to be NR, but a previous import of the Mutant stating it is an AR variant (which it is not) to fast track an FRT entry for quick sales rather than submitting one to the lab for a 3 plus year inspection has sealed it's fate.

 

[TRG-42]

If you want a big bore 50 Beo or 458 Socom just keep in mind that the novelty may wear off

I originally put together on of each since local indoor range would not allow 556 at the time

Sure it had me grinning like a kid every time I cranked off round but reality is I shoot my 5.56 , 6.5 Grendel , 7.62x39 , 308 and 9mm Ar far far more now

You are not going to be running and gunning in match with a 458 Socom

I got rid of 50Beo and kept the 458 . As already mentioned , you have a huge selection of projectiles that are commonly used in 45-70 and 458 WM

I load the Hornady 325gr FTX and 500 Gr RN since I have lifetime supply I bought cheap for my 458WM

Don't worry about the magazine capacity for the 458 Socom some are mentioning in earlier posts

Just buy a single shot follower ( Sinclair( Brownells ) make a nice one ) and install it into a mag and rivit at location to fit 5 rds of the Socom

The single shot follower will not allow any other round to contact the feed lip so there is NO WAY any RCMP can accuse you of having a over 5rd magazine for 5.56 , 7.62X39 , Grendel

Oh , look ...no workee for 5.56

Well actually it does, I use these mags for 75 Gr Amax loads that are single load only due to COL

This is why they make these followers BTW

 

[Brian46]

Pinning a std 223/556 mag at a larger capacity is not going to fly in the eyes of the law. It matters only what it was designed and built for that limits capacity. Your do it yourself mods do not change that

 

[rkm456]

Pinning a std 223/556 mag at a larger capacity is not going to fly in the eyes of the law. It matters only what it was designed and built for that limits capacity. Your do it yourself mods do not change that

I'm curious what law would he be breaking being as it won't hold more than 5 rounds of 5.56.

 

[TRG-42]

I'm curious what law would he be breaking being as it won't hold more than 5 rounds of 5.56.

The magazine is completely useless for holding EVEN ONE ROUND of 5.56 / 300blk , 7.62x39 etc after these mods

And BTW , the VPD and RCMP I showed it to at the range agreed it was a good way to pin it since to them ( and in my pic above ) its obvious it couldn't hold even one round of 5.56

 

[griffin86]

I havery a 50 Beowulf, I like it. I wish I could hunt with it. I'm getting my ACR rebarreled to 450 bushmaster and hunting with it.

 

[Brian46]

The magazine is completely useless for holding EVEN ONE ROUND of 5.56 / 300blk , 7.62x39 etc after these mods

And BTW , the VPD and RCMP I showed it to at the range agreed it was a good way to pin it since to them ( and in my pic above ) its obvious it couldn't hold even one round of 5.56

Not how the RCMP lab looks at it and they are the only authority on gun legalities in canada thanks to the liberal government.

Their interpretation has been clear, so have their warnings made in writing to manufactures, importers and retailers.

Read up on regulations about modifying magazines, it is still limited to the legal capacity of the round it was initially manufactured for, your modifications do not change that

 

[rkm456]

Not how the RCMP lab looks at it and they are the only authority on gun legalities in canada thanks to the liberal government.

Their interpretation has been clear, so have their warnings made in writing to manufactures, importers and retailers.

Read up on regulations about modifying magazines, it is still limited to the legal capacity of the round it was initially manufactured for, your modifications do not change that

He isn't exceeding the capacity of what it was originally manufactured for. He's actually decreasing it.

 

[Brian46]

He isn't exceeding the capacity of what it was originally manufactured for. He's actually decreasing it.

He removed the pin and re pinned it to a capacity of 5 rounds of 458 Socom. The mag is still a 223/556 as it was manufactured for that caliber, he can't change that.

This is how the RCMP and lab look at it.

In the USA there are companies making a similar aftermarket follower for the 50. But it is the same issue, re pinning the 223 mag body to more than 5 rounds of the cartridge it was designed for is not legal.

 

[rkm456]

He removed the pin and re pinned it to a capacity of 5 rounds of 458 Socom. The mag is still a 223/556 as it was manufactured for that caliber, he can't change that.

This is how the RCMP and lab look at it.

In the USA there are companies making a similar aftermarket follower for the 50. But it is the same issue, re pinning the 223 mag body to more than 5 rounds of the cartridge it was designed for is not legal.

...but he isn't pinning it for more than 5 rounds of what the cartridge was designed for.

 

[Brian46]

...but he isn't pinning it for more than 5 rounds of what the cartridge was designed for.

What?

I suggest you look at some of the other Beowulf threads on here.

There was a guy taking 223 mags and modifying them for use with 50 Beowulf along with rebranding and re pinning them to 5 rounds of 50 instead of the 223/556 rounds they were originally made for. He was charged and got jail time.

for you to suggest this is ok to do with the 458 and that it is legal is just wrong.

 

[rkm456]

What?

I suggest you look at some of the other Beowulf threads on here.

There was a guy taking 223 mags and modifying them for use with 50 Beowulf along with rebranding and re pinning them to 5 rounds of 50 instead of the 223/556 rounds they were originally made for. He was charged and got jail time.

for you to suggest this is ok to do with the 458 and that it is legal is just wrong.

His 458 magazine won't hold more than a single round of .223/5.56. I haven't so much as suggested that it's legal. I asked what makes it illegal. You continually state:

re pinning the 223 mag body to more than 5 rounds of the cartridge it was designed for is not legal.

Which I agree with. But in his case, as he's stated, it won't hold more than a single round of .223/5.56.

 

[Brian46]

His 458 magazine won't hold more than a single round of .223/5.56. I haven't so much as suggested that it's legal. I asked what makes it illegal. You continually state:



Which I agree with. But in his case, as he's stated, it won't hold more than a single round of .223/5.56.

call the RCMP lab and ask why a guy went to jail over it if you disagree with the law.

You cant take an existing mag that has a capacity limit and re pin it allowing more than it's legal capacity to fit in it of the original type, It does not matter if it functions or not.

Most mags are pinned prior to entering the country, All are pinned accordingly before they hit the retailers shelves. Any such alterations to the pinning method after you or I purchase them is illegal and clearly spelled out in the regulations. You cant take an existing mag and alter it to become some other type and not be bound by it's original as manufactured legal capacity restriction in Canada.

Manufacturing your own magazine from the ground up would be the only way to make it work, currently I have not seen anyone making a 458 magazine, they are all altered 223/556 magazines and as such are limited to 5 rounds of 223/556 (same with the beowulf) as per RCMP Lab emails, letters and FRT entry

 

[Brian46]

But in his case, as he's stated, it won't hold more than a single round of .223/5.56.

which is false,

There needs to be internal limiters that prevent you from double stacking 223/556 rounds regardless of follower shape

like this

Those limiters are steel and part of the magazine body formed at time of manufacture, not a modification to a 223/556 magazine that can be removed at any time

 

[Deckard]

Brian it seems you're on a mission to work for our enemies to FK us.

 

[griffin86]

Brian it seems you're on a mission to work for our enemies to FK us.

I think Brian is trying to explain an opaque law so someone doesn't get in trouble, not trying to fk us.

You can't take a 223 magazine pinned for 5 rounds, re pin it for 5 rounds of 50 Beowulf and be legal.