Got Juice?
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True. Might look for a different spot that is more flat/level
I'm getting sick of the 1000 yard goal
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True. Might look for a different spot that is more flat/level
Build a underground 1000m tunnel and have no wind at all.
No issues other than if you want to place a target at a particular range that happens to be in that area. My range has a 'hole' in it; drops immediately after 800 and then the ground reappears at about 1045. Although extremely unlikely, travel is possible through that hole. We have signs that we put up while we shoot in case someone drops a shot short of 1050. In our case, the wind really doesn't change a heck of a lot through that gap but it does show up from time to time and will play on you a bit (nothing like shooting across a mountain valley).
With a bit of math, input the total angle from your shooting point to the target, and your solution will yield what your correction is. It won't be, for eg, 900 yards, but probably a shorter solution that effectively equates to, say, 875 yards.
Got Juice?
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The cost would be astronomical. Tempting, but I think I will stay with the outdoot 1000 or 1750.
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- Jameson, SK
Believe it or not I saw the head of a TBM on a trailer at a weigh scale near Winnipeg last week!!! Maybe it can be rented?? Problem is that at 1000 yards even the flat shooters are dropping about 20'..... That's a big tunnel...!!!
Get a .375 Cheytac, you can get the 1000 yard mid-range trajectory down around 6 feet with the 350 SMK. That's close to the worst load if you don't count low BC hunting bullets.
Some of the turned brass bullets at 3200 will shrink that down to around 5 feet.
Just think of all the tunnel you could save.
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Ivan Smythe
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I have not read every single post in this thread, my apologies if I repeat anything previously posted.
For 4 years(3 years ago) I worked at the gun counter of our local Gun/Sporting goods store.
One of the most consistent packages I put together for more than a dozen customers was a Remington M-700 5R MilSpec in .308 Win., with either a Nightforce NXS or Leupold Mark 4 scope mounted in heavy Nightforce or Leupold rings on a steel 20 moa one piece base/rail. Price for a complete package varied between $3200 and $3700 depending on scope, exchange rate etc. etc.
I found that the rifle's 1 in 11.25" rate of twist favoured the Federal GM Match 175 gr factory load.
Using the ballistic data from the first couple of rifles(chronying etc.) and the iStrelok ballistic app we established a baseline of data we applied to all subsequent rifles, the main variable(weather not withstanding) was the difference in velocity between different lots of the Federal 175 gr match ammo, the greatest variation encountered was 105 fps.
We have a range on private property that has steel targets out to 1540 yards. Every single one of the aforementioned rifles was zeroed and shot onto the 1008 yard gongs/plates(10" to 22") in less than one box of ammo by the owners of the rifles.
For 4 years(3 years ago) I worked at the gun counter of our local Gun/Sporting goods store.
One of the most consistent packages I put together for more than a dozen customers was a Remington M-700 5R MilSpec in .308 Win., with either a Nightforce NXS or Leupold Mark 4 scope mounted in heavy Nightforce or Leupold rings on a steel 20 moa one piece base/rail. Price for a complete package varied between $3200 and $3700 depending on scope, exchange rate etc. etc.
I found that the rifle's 1 in 11.25" rate of twist favoured the Federal GM Match 175 gr factory load.
Using the ballistic data from the first couple of rifles(chronying etc.) and the iStrelok ballistic app we established a baseline of data we applied to all subsequent rifles, the main variable(weather not withstanding) was the difference in velocity between different lots of the Federal 175 gr match ammo, the greatest variation encountered was 105 fps.
We have a range on private property that has steel targets out to 1540 yards. Every single one of the aforementioned rifles was zeroed and shot onto the 1008 yard gongs/plates(10" to 22") in less than one box of ammo by the owners of the rifles.
There you go, a decent platform, scope of known quality, married with solid mounts and rings,time tested loads with forgiving bulletsand a bit of guidance in how to steer it. Not surprising it works, there isn't any shortcuts or real guesswork involved.
When they get them home and start in load developement, and the inevitable bedding and trigger job they will work even better.
When they get them home and start in load developement, and the inevitable bedding and trigger job they will work even better.
Okay I just finished reading every post and what many of you aren't getting that I believe the OP was meaning is: when you state like the above ^ decent platform, scope of known quality, solid mounts/rings, tested loads with forgiving bullets and a bit of guidance in how to shoot... = not surprising it works and there is any shortcuts or real guesswork involved??? WTF!
So yeah have somebody who actually knows very well what to do and have them choose the rifle, optics,mount/rings plus ammo. and then have them work out the load parameters and it's easy peasy. No sh*t sherlock, but try and do all that on your own with only say a .22 rifle max. 100yd. plinking and sighting in year deer rifle at 200Yds. once a year shooting history and it's not so easy at all; not even close.
I've been shooting or have seen many shooters at the range struggling to hit paper at 100Yds. to 300Yds. and it's definitely not there first time at the range.
Are you kidding me? While many here have stated good information, shooters needing to read up to gain the knowledge, put in the time and effort at the range then they will be rewarded with some chance of shooting LR solo.
Let's not forget a few thousand dollars for basic set-up (i.e. $1,000+ rifle & $1,000+ scope, $600 range finder & $1,000+/-spotting scope) plus a couple thousand dollars of match grade ammo. to practice with in the first year alone.
Then and only then are you going to have any luck of hitting a reasonably sized target at ranges exceeding 800Yds. to 1,000Yds. on even sporadic basis if you have some talent with your nerves/eyesight and judging the winds...
Please do not think I'm trying to disrespect anyone here, it's just that many experts (in any sport/hobby) can become a little complacent on how difficult it was in the beginning of their own shooting career. Particularly if they were not given the opportunity to have an (expert) coach set-up the rifle, scope, ammo. etc. and coach them through all the aspects of making a such difficult long range which a 1,000Yd. shot is.
Many rifles may or not be MOA, however it will take many, many rounds of practice to determine if the rifle you've chosen is capable of MOA with yourself at the trigger (especially at these greeter distances where wind is such a factor). This expertise can only come with time if your not getting expert help. Something that everyone one of these posts had in common (that being the posts showing great success while using assistance of an expert to do).
Cheers D
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It's said that high level skills take 10000 hours to master.....
$10,000 will get anyone there a lot faster.
Though the funny thing in relation to this thread. Most competitive shooters wouldn't attempt a shot on an animal at the distances some on here have claimed(more so in other threads), often with factory equipment. I guess some get lucky and we don't hear about all the ones who don't...
Time to chime in...
I read this post with almost no 1000yd experience - and when i did, i simply walked my shots in until I hit it... way cool, but not much of a challenge if one has a rifle capable of the shot.
So the next couple of trips, i focused on cold bore, first shot hit - i.e. - read wind, calculate drop, dial in numbers to scope, add up all other factors, re-adjust scope, and let it fly! Well, that is a LOT tougher - i managed 2/5 cold bore hits on a 10" AR500 plate. I used a 6mmBR/105 hybrid. But on each successive trip, once dialled in for the daily conditions (yes, walking the shots in), our hits were 80% or greater, actually quite easy peasy.
Then for ####s and giggles, i moved back to 1500yds to see what would happen - fired two shots - 57 MOA or just under 900 inches drop.... guess what! I missed, but did see the hits and they were within 5-6 feet, but a miss is a miss. I am thinking from where the impacts were, there was some tumbling going on!
I realize i am not using a good cartridge for that distance, but wanted to try it anyway - and used Strelok app, and it was bang on for calculations.
Now shooting groups at 100yds seems so so boring....
I read this post with almost no 1000yd experience - and when i did, i simply walked my shots in until I hit it... way cool, but not much of a challenge if one has a rifle capable of the shot.
So the next couple of trips, i focused on cold bore, first shot hit - i.e. - read wind, calculate drop, dial in numbers to scope, add up all other factors, re-adjust scope, and let it fly! Well, that is a LOT tougher - i managed 2/5 cold bore hits on a 10" AR500 plate. I used a 6mmBR/105 hybrid. But on each successive trip, once dialled in for the daily conditions (yes, walking the shots in), our hits were 80% or greater, actually quite easy peasy.
Then for ####s and giggles, i moved back to 1500yds to see what would happen - fired two shots - 57 MOA or just under 900 inches drop.... guess what! I missed, but did see the hits and they were within 5-6 feet, but a miss is a miss. I am thinking from where the impacts were, there was some tumbling going on!
I realize i am not using a good cartridge for that distance, but wanted to try it anyway - and used Strelok app, and it was bang on for calculations.
Now shooting groups at 100yds seems so so boring....
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The biggest single thing to shoot small groups at 1000+ yards is your ammunition, must have an ES <10 fps, smaller the better. This is achieved by no small degree, by exact powder charges, optimum powder burn, a velocity that is on a node, consistent neck tension and exact base to ogive dimensions.
Then comes a platform that is not stressed by heat.
Your ability to range distance, read the wind and good riflemanship will be the final hurtle.
A challenge to be sure.
Then comes a platform that is not stressed by heat.
Your ability to range distance, read the wind and good riflemanship will be the final hurtle.
A challenge to be sure.
Ivan Smythe
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- Northern BC
Since posting a page back, I have been following this thread. I am not going to tell anyone what they should do. I will however, share what it is that I do.
For starters...I am 50 yrs old, started shooting when I was 4 yrs old under my Grandfathers watchful eye, have been competing on and off since my late teens.
So...although my favourite cartridge/calibre to shoot is .308 Win, I spend a lot of time behind my Anshutz 64 MPR .22 LR, shooting at 50 and 100 yards.
I purchased the rifle used(previously owned and unfired) for $1200 all in. I often shoot ELEY Match and Tenex ammo through it, although recently I purchased 2000 rds of ELEY Practice for $140(that much .308 factory match ammo would be well over $4000), and it is performing 80-90% of the Match and Tenex at one quarter to one third the price.
The rifle is scoped with a high end although dated 6-18x40mm scope with a 1/8 moa dot reticle.
The targets I use at 50 yards are .3 inch dots, and the ones at 100 yards are .75 inch dots. The goal of course is to put the .22 calibre round on the dots.
Now...having taken all the appropriate time to observe all of my marksmanship principles while shooting my .22, regardless of how many rounds I put on the dots, when I transition to my center fire target rifles at ranges out to 1000 yards, my performance is vastly improved.
Incidentally, a good friend of mine has adopted the same practice regimen using a SAVAGE TR-22, and is seeing real gains in his mid to long range game.
For starters...I am 50 yrs old, started shooting when I was 4 yrs old under my Grandfathers watchful eye, have been competing on and off since my late teens.
So...although my favourite cartridge/calibre to shoot is .308 Win, I spend a lot of time behind my Anshutz 64 MPR .22 LR, shooting at 50 and 100 yards.
I purchased the rifle used(previously owned and unfired) for $1200 all in. I often shoot ELEY Match and Tenex ammo through it, although recently I purchased 2000 rds of ELEY Practice for $140(that much .308 factory match ammo would be well over $4000), and it is performing 80-90% of the Match and Tenex at one quarter to one third the price.
The rifle is scoped with a high end although dated 6-18x40mm scope with a 1/8 moa dot reticle.
The targets I use at 50 yards are .3 inch dots, and the ones at 100 yards are .75 inch dots. The goal of course is to put the .22 calibre round on the dots.
Now...having taken all the appropriate time to observe all of my marksmanship principles while shooting my .22, regardless of how many rounds I put on the dots, when I transition to my center fire target rifles at ranges out to 1000 yards, my performance is vastly improved.
Incidentally, a good friend of mine has adopted the same practice regimen using a SAVAGE TR-22, and is seeing real gains in his mid to long range game.
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- Jameson, SK
Nothing worth doing is ever "perfected", the masters are just the best possible at that time. That's why guys, and girls, like us do them....if we wanted something easy we'd collect stamps.
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- Jameson, SK
Fundamentals and Ballistics knowledge. I use strelok pro and it so far has served me very well. You have to have the fundementals down pat at short distances first. The farther you shoot the more apparent your tiny little errors become clear.
