I was wondering that myself and was speculating on how much force it would have taken. Maybe that particular rifle was a little sloppy.
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I was wondering that myself and was speculating on how much force it would have taken. Maybe that particular rifle was a little sloppy.
Thanks guys for the kind words, but isn't this what this forum is supposed to be all about..........sharing experience and expertise one has garnered over the years, instead of trying to denigrate others to make oneself appear better or brighter? If I posses the knowledge and expertise to help some of our younger and less experienced shooters out, I am more than willing to do so. I am aware some of my opinions don't necessarily "sit well" with many on this forum, but these opinions have been developed over 45 years of competitive shooting, hunting, and an obsessive study of cartridge design, internal and external ballistics, and experimenting. I don't mind civilly debating a point of contention with anyone whose experience has led them to another conclusion. What I find the most distressing and a waste of my time, is arguing with those who have no experience upon which to base their arguments, but have gleaned all their information from a buddy or a loading manual or the internet, and then attempt to belittle that which I have learned by actually doing it first hand.
I do not know everything and have learned many things since joining this site several years ago. There are many guys on here who have diverse experiences from my own and have done things which I have not, their posts hold great interest for me and I read with appreciation and an open mind. I hope some on here feel the same of my posts, and I have decided to continue to post here in a more limited capacity and attempt to not get drawn in to ridiculous arguments. I will share my experience and expertise with those who wish to read it and try to resist the inevitable trolling and baiting which destroys a perfectly good and informative thread. It is difficult for me, given my highly competitive type A personality, but I'll do my best.
I do not know everything and have learned many things since joining this site several years ago. There are many guys on here who have diverse experiences from my own and have done things which I have not, their posts hold great interest for me and I read with appreciation and an open mind. I hope some on here feel the same of my posts, and I have decided to continue to post here in a more limited capacity and attempt to not get drawn in to ridiculous arguments. I will share my experience and expertise with those who wish to read it and try to resist the inevitable trolling and baiting which destroys a perfectly good and informative thread. It is difficult for me, given my highly competitive type A personality, but I'll do my best.
Johnn Peterson
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- Location
- Chemainus B.C.
Well stated Douglas and I look forward to your future info and experience posts. 
I second that ! Its great to see you posting again Douglas, we collectively need and welcome your participation...
Another interesting aspect of the 7x57 case is that the case head doesn't show much in the way of pressure signs. There looks to be a bit of an ejector mark, but the primer isn't really flattened! Il post a pic later.
Very well worded post, Douglas, certainly glad to see you back.
Like you, and for the same reasons, I have also in the past stated I was done posting. Then, I would receive private messages from new reloaders who stated I had helped them, so I have continued, but also in a more limited manner.
In 1956 I took a flying course to get an instructors endorsement on my commercial licence. The chief instructor made a statement to me while we were flying that I have never forgotten and ever since have applied it to all walks of life, in particular to shooting and hand loading.
He told me to never tell a student being taught to fly, anything about flying, that I could not demonstrate to him/her, while sitting in the #### pit with them!
What great advice! Just think what Canadian Gun Nutz would be like, if everybody adhered to that principal. As it is, I have many times on here stated the multitudes of unproven theories that exist on the CGN and people repeat them, completely unknowing whether they are repeating the truth, or a bunch of garbage.
Being considerably older than Douglas, C-FBIM, I started shooting and hand loading well before he did, but I have accumulated no where near the knowledge of shooting, hunting and hand loading that he has. I did, however, go through the entire glory years of shooting and hunting of about twenty years following WW2. Like virtually every shooter of the day, we competed in more competitions than we can remember.
In 1939 I started taking the family 22 on long jaunts in the bush by myself, bringing home a considerable number of grouse and rabbits, as well as shooting squirrels for their pelts, nearly always shooting them in the head, so as not to have a hole in the hide to be deducted from the price. When I was sixteen I started going alone on day hunts with a big rifle.
In December 1949 I bought a Husqvarna 30-06 for myself as a Christmas present. But this was the third 30-06 I had hunted with and had probably shot at least six or seven moose by then.
I am not saying all of this as bragging. Far from it. I am merely pointing out that in all those years as an active shooter, hunter and outdoorsman, there is actually not much in those fields I haven't encountered.
So, I will continue to post, from time to time, if I can help someone and promise not to be enticed into an argument!
Like you, and for the same reasons, I have also in the past stated I was done posting. Then, I would receive private messages from new reloaders who stated I had helped them, so I have continued, but also in a more limited manner.
In 1956 I took a flying course to get an instructors endorsement on my commercial licence. The chief instructor made a statement to me while we were flying that I have never forgotten and ever since have applied it to all walks of life, in particular to shooting and hand loading.
He told me to never tell a student being taught to fly, anything about flying, that I could not demonstrate to him/her, while sitting in the #### pit with them!
What great advice! Just think what Canadian Gun Nutz would be like, if everybody adhered to that principal. As it is, I have many times on here stated the multitudes of unproven theories that exist on the CGN and people repeat them, completely unknowing whether they are repeating the truth, or a bunch of garbage.
Being considerably older than Douglas, C-FBIM, I started shooting and hand loading well before he did, but I have accumulated no where near the knowledge of shooting, hunting and hand loading that he has. I did, however, go through the entire glory years of shooting and hunting of about twenty years following WW2. Like virtually every shooter of the day, we competed in more competitions than we can remember.
In 1939 I started taking the family 22 on long jaunts in the bush by myself, bringing home a considerable number of grouse and rabbits, as well as shooting squirrels for their pelts, nearly always shooting them in the head, so as not to have a hole in the hide to be deducted from the price. When I was sixteen I started going alone on day hunts with a big rifle.
In December 1949 I bought a Husqvarna 30-06 for myself as a Christmas present. But this was the third 30-06 I had hunted with and had probably shot at least six or seven moose by then.
I am not saying all of this as bragging. Far from it. I am merely pointing out that in all those years as an active shooter, hunter and outdoorsman, there is actually not much in those fields I haven't encountered.
So, I will continue to post, from time to time, if I can help someone and promise not to be enticed into an argument!
Johnn Peterson
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Chemainus B.C.
Bruce, the experience, info and expertise brought to this site by the likes of yourself, Douglas, Ted Wagner and Ardent to name a few, is what makes this site what it is. Especially to those like myself that have considerably more to benefit from by being active on the site. Thank you gentlemen. Your continued input is greatly appreciated.
. Your continued input is greatly appreciated.
Bruce, the experience, info and expertise brought to this site by the likes of yourself, Douglas, Ted Wagner and Ardent to name a few, is what makes this site what it is. Especially to those like myself that have considerably more to benefit from by being active on the site. Thank you gentlemen
I fully agree...... And Bruce, if you want to count the people you helped, you can count me as one.......
When I started here 5 years ago, reloading piqued my interest and I started reading the reloading section...... It was all so overwhelming with the theories and the constant quest for "excellence", which is cool, but completely swamped this novice...... It was hard to get started and know what was important and what was not.....
Don't get me wrong, I know I have lots to learn, but your common sense approach helped me take the plunge and, with ease, I am now making better than factory quality ammo with premium bullets for much cheaper than I can buy it for...... Plus I have a new hobby and shoot more....... Plus I get to buy and experiment with cartridges I never would have dreamed of owning rifles in...... In fact, I enjoy it so much, I passed on the hodge podge gear I picked up to wet my palate, and made a commitment.....
As I progress in the hobby I am glad to have members like you and Douglas around.....
PS...... Ignore the .177 pellets, my youth inspired me to buy those..... Lol
I love how this thread turned into one big group hug. I love you guys too! Come here fellas!
Sarcasm DG?.........that's not like you................
One thing I'd lernt from Mr. H and there are many, when he starts a sentence with,
"Good Gawd", well I dun know I said the wrong thing.
Need to go shooting Mr. H.
That last go dint go.
Or that run up the hill with the furs you've been mentioning.
Heck, we could take the African Kritter.
"Good Gawd", well I dun know I said the wrong thing.
Need to go shooting Mr. H.
That last go dint go.
Or that run up the hill with the furs you've been mentioning.
Heck, we could take the African Kritter.
Have done this before many years ago when I heard a similar story. Just tried chambering a 7X57 in one my Husqvarna 270 Winchesters , again, to be sure. How did the guy ever get it in there without knowing something was wrong?
If it were a 7X57 going into a 280 or 30-06, I could see it. You sure it hasn't been fired in an '06?
Ted
If it were a 7X57 going into a 280 or 30-06, I could see it. You sure it hasn't been fired in an '06?
Ted
I thought that myself so grabbed a 300WSM cartridge and tried to insert the .30 cal bullet into the mouth- no go!
Will a 7mm bullet slide in? Perhaps it was fired in a 280 Rem.
Ted
I also thought that but didn't have a 7mm bullet. I did line up the 270 case mouth with the 7x57 case mouth and they sure appear to be the exact same diameter. I'll try to remember at 7mm bullet tomorrow.
I have probably recounted the story before but I have seen this done before. Interestingly enough, the mistake was made by two different shooters, 500 miles apart, on the same weekend. Both fired 7x57 factory loads through their 270's. Both were experienced shooters and handloaders. One guy actually fired three shots though his Savage 110 before he noticed the problem. He reported accuracy as being not bad but recoil seemed a little fierce. The other guy only fired one shot though his Colt Sauer because it came apart with the first shot. He was unhurt but the magazine was wrecked, the stock was split and the camming ring for the locking struts was broken.
I have seen other cartridge substitutions made and, in some cases, was surprised there wasn't more damage. One Parker-Hale 7mm Mag digested a 303 British load with surprisingly little damage. The stock split at the tang and the extractor was missing but headspace was fine. With the stock repaired and the extractor replaced, he was back in action; a testament to the strength of the Mauser design.
I once barreled two rifles for a customer. Both were built on Remington 700 Classic rifles. One was barreled in 308 Norma while the other was a 7mm STW. The rifles were essentially identical. He worked up loads for both then took them up to his hunting camp. It happened that he loaned the 308 Norma to one of his clients but on the day the client got a shot at a bear, he had mistakenly picked up the STW instead but had loaded it up with 308 Norma ammo featuring a 180 grain Swift A-frame bullet ahead of a bunch of 4831. At the shot, the bear dropped like a stone when hit with what was now a 180 grain 7mm Swift A-frame. It was well that he did because the rifle was locked up tight. Like many people in a similar situation, the owner couldn't leave well enough alone and managed to break the bolt handle off with a piece of firewood. He brought it into the shop and told me the tale. I pulled the barrel and removed the fired case without too much effort. I swaged the bolt head back to it's original dimension and replaced the extractor. Headspace was unchanged. I re-attached the bolt handle and the rifle was back in action.
Back when I was shooting BR, the firing of 222's and 223's through 6x47 happened often enough as to be commonplace. It may have happened even more often than we knew but some occurences may have been unreported.
I shot a bunch of 300 Win Mags through 300 Weatherby rifles. Worked just fine and shot well enough to work in the field in a pinch. I did this just to see what the effect would be.
I have seen other cartridge substitutions made and, in some cases, was surprised there wasn't more damage. One Parker-Hale 7mm Mag digested a 303 British load with surprisingly little damage. The stock split at the tang and the extractor was missing but headspace was fine. With the stock repaired and the extractor replaced, he was back in action; a testament to the strength of the Mauser design.
I once barreled two rifles for a customer. Both were built on Remington 700 Classic rifles. One was barreled in 308 Norma while the other was a 7mm STW. The rifles were essentially identical. He worked up loads for both then took them up to his hunting camp. It happened that he loaned the 308 Norma to one of his clients but on the day the client got a shot at a bear, he had mistakenly picked up the STW instead but had loaded it up with 308 Norma ammo featuring a 180 grain Swift A-frame bullet ahead of a bunch of 4831. At the shot, the bear dropped like a stone when hit with what was now a 180 grain 7mm Swift A-frame. It was well that he did because the rifle was locked up tight. Like many people in a similar situation, the owner couldn't leave well enough alone and managed to break the bolt handle off with a piece of firewood. He brought it into the shop and told me the tale. I pulled the barrel and removed the fired case without too much effort. I swaged the bolt head back to it's original dimension and replaced the extractor. Headspace was unchanged. I re-attached the bolt handle and the rifle was back in action.
Back when I was shooting BR, the firing of 222's and 223's through 6x47 happened often enough as to be commonplace. It may have happened even more often than we knew but some occurences may have been unreported.
I shot a bunch of 300 Win Mags through 300 Weatherby rifles. Worked just fine and shot well enough to work in the field in a pinch. I did this just to see what the effect would be.
