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lmao
maybe she ate the evidence and was too full to move and clean up the spent shell casings
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Grouse Hunting Ethics
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lmao
maybe she ate the evidence and was too full to move and clean up the spent shell casings
Brutus
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So you are trying to say you are THE only wing shooter in this crowd?
How very GTA of you!!
Wonderful post my friend, you are doing terrific!
Now, have your butler bring you some Perrier with lemon..... You deserve it m'lord..... Chop chop!
Ahsan Ahmed
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LOL! It'd be interesting to learn what happens when she misses with that first shot and then you successfully anchor that bird!
Contrary to what one may assume, normally, birds shot on the wing absorb very few pellets. The infrequent occasions when a bird may have been converted into a sieve is mainly a scenario, for example, where it might have flown into the center of a pattern or even a full pattern from what was actually a very close shot. Some variables may also be at play here......
This has nothing to do with money. Thankfully because I don't have any.... your ignorance towards wing shooting upland birds just makes you look dumb. I do it for fun and food and with a cheap single shot h&r and I prefer the fun of shooting them from the air. If you aren't able to do it so be it, but talking smack with no knowledge or skill just makes you a fool
I have no idea what you are talking about..... I wingshoot plenty of grouse....... Shoot plenty on the ground too.....
If you prefer only wingshooting, fill your boots...... But I fail to see anyone "talking smack"..... Except for maybe one person.....
To the OP:
Don't confuse what is ethical with what is 'sporting'. IMO, the emphasis on wing shooting is a 'sporting' concept that has nothing whatsoever to do with ethics. I don't know for sure, but I think the 'sporting' concept comes from old world hunting of planted birds in an open field. The only similarity to this with hunting wild partridge in the Canadian bush is that you're shooting at birds with a shotgun. The only ethical questions you should ask yourself are 1) Can I kill that bird quickly and humanely?, and 2) Can I do so without damaging the meat? Clearly, head shots on more or less stationary birds on the ground or in a tree are potentially more ethical when both of these factors are taken into consideration, assuming you're not using too much gun.
Personally, I only pull the trigger on a wing shot if I'm certain I can drop the bird, maybe 2 or 3 times per season. Most of the wing shots that I try are successful. When I miss one, I will scour the area for feathers to make sure I haven't wounded a bird. I hunt mainly with a .410 to minimize damage to the meat and pass up a lot of shots on flushed birds where the range or the cover might exceed the limitations of my gun. When this happens, I will stalk the bird and often get a 2nd, 3rd, even 4th chance for a shooting opportunity. Maybe I'm overly conservative on some of the shots that I pass up, but I'm pretty good at stalking and finding them again, and I do pretty darn good.
I guess to sum up, I would suggest this: If you want to limit yourself to wing shooting, recognize that it is not an ethical decision, but please bear in mind the true ethical considerations I outlined above.
Don't confuse what is ethical with what is 'sporting'. IMO, the emphasis on wing shooting is a 'sporting' concept that has nothing whatsoever to do with ethics. I don't know for sure, but I think the 'sporting' concept comes from old world hunting of planted birds in an open field. The only similarity to this with hunting wild partridge in the Canadian bush is that you're shooting at birds with a shotgun. The only ethical questions you should ask yourself are 1) Can I kill that bird quickly and humanely?, and 2) Can I do so without damaging the meat? Clearly, head shots on more or less stationary birds on the ground or in a tree are potentially more ethical when both of these factors are taken into consideration, assuming you're not using too much gun.
Personally, I only pull the trigger on a wing shot if I'm certain I can drop the bird, maybe 2 or 3 times per season. Most of the wing shots that I try are successful. When I miss one, I will scour the area for feathers to make sure I haven't wounded a bird. I hunt mainly with a .410 to minimize damage to the meat and pass up a lot of shots on flushed birds where the range or the cover might exceed the limitations of my gun. When this happens, I will stalk the bird and often get a 2nd, 3rd, even 4th chance for a shooting opportunity. Maybe I'm overly conservative on some of the shots that I pass up, but I'm pretty good at stalking and finding them again, and I do pretty darn good.
I guess to sum up, I would suggest this: If you want to limit yourself to wing shooting, recognize that it is not an ethical decision, but please bear in mind the true ethical considerations I outlined above.
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Where I am, the grouse seem to have a sixth sense, and so I take whatever shots are offered. I usually end up on the losing side of things, but I've never had a day in the grouse woods that I didn't somehow find enjoyable, and that fits my personal definition of "sporting."
In Algonquin, usually around the time of the first snow, they will literally walk into your boots sometimes, in pairs no less!
I have tripped over ptarmigan up in the mountains around Stuart BC and have caught them using my jacket
At low elevations it's difficult to get with in shotgun range a 22 is handy as well this is in Stuart BC at low elevation The ptarmigan are so much more Skittish in the bush
I find grouse is similar sum places a shotgun is horrible and at times I think a shotgun would be handy even if it is a bit to blueblood for my Liking
At low elevations it's difficult to get with in shotgun range a 22 is handy as well this is in Stuart BC at low elevation The ptarmigan are so much more Skittish in the bush
I find grouse is similar sum places a shotgun is horrible and at times I think a shotgun would be handy even if it is a bit to blueblood for my Liking
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Ahsan Ahmed
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Very well stated.
Any of you "wing shooters", also deer hunters? And if so, do you limit your shots to an ethical running shot?
So you compare shooting a pattern of shot at a moving target equal to shooting a single projectile at a moving target? Any reasonable individual should be able to see the difference. And then there is the fact that the dogs that many of us use can find pretty much any bird that may be wounded, whereas a wounded deer can travel great distances, and in many provinces, we can't use tracking dogs.
Ahsan Ahmed
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Any of you "wing shooters", also deer hunters? And if so, do you limit your shots to an ethical running shot?
Given the two different/specific methods employed to pursue those game species in question, the above analogy has no real merit!
On the other hand, in various hunt forum discussions including CGN, we observe that the term "ethic" is bandied about way too loosely and mostly devoid of sincerity. To cut straight to the chase (pun intended), the act of being truly ethical never factors into the equation of hunting regardless of the manner (and with proper care) in which the prey was brought down. One could go to elaborate lengths to explain that point but suffice it to say that if ethics actually played a heavy role, then to be very candid, humans would've stopped participating in this particular sport a long time ago!
Bottomline, let's be honest with ourselves and dispense with all this bull#### about being ethical inside the limelight of activity of what is known as hunting!
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so I have decided that this thread is going to end here before it devolves any further
I don't like having to clean up threads, and no one likes getting infractions, I don't mind giving them out...
I don't like having to clean up threads, and no one likes getting infractions, I don't mind giving them out...
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