Stop the RCMP!

Bad Lieutenant said:
Yup, unfortunately at some point, some unstable, unlicensed criminal with a illegal gun smuggled in from the US will kill some people here. The cops will find that he simply removed the pin because, crazy as it sounds, psychopaths on murder sprees tend to not care about the consequences of having a prohibited mag, and the only response from the police and government will be to crack down on legal gun owners, pass more laws taking away more of our rights and property. They will nothing to crack down on the illegal guns or the nut-jobs using them for murders, rapes and robberies.

And as for the shooter, (if he doesn't kill himself or become a trophy-scalp for a trigger-happy cop), he'll get all kinds of sympathy, along with some lemonade and cookies, because he's a poor unfortunate soul abused his parents and mistreated by the system. He'll do 6 months in a rubber-walled hospital and then get all kinds of money thrown at him from various Liberal social programs. He'll end up in a 4-bedroom house with a $50,000 car, spending his days eating cheeseburgers, playing Lottomax and watching Netflix.

/end rant
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That about sums it it up, every time there is a murder, mass murder whether here or in the US. The Canadian media and the government start talking about adding more restrictions on the most law abiding group in our society. I walk on egg shells to make sure I don't break any laws, almost have to be a lawyer, just so I can enjoy this sport.
 
Actually, the guy who tried to kill Quebec's PQ premier had removed the pins from his mags.

The jury is still deliberating, but my hunch is that he gets life. At his age, that actually means he'll spend the rest of his life behind bars.
 
Ya this is a real piss off. I'm just getting into the sport. And was hoping to get an AR15 this year. And then someone tells me that there's a legal loop hole I can have the same capacity as my pistol.
Next thing I read is this post of this coming to an end before I even get my rifle.
I was hoping for a sale (fat chance anyway) but maybe I should pick up the AR I want anyway and pick up a bunch of those mags before they take them off the shelf like the 10/22 25rounders
 
Ya this is a real piss off. I'm just getting into the sport. And was hoping to get an AR15 this year. And then someone tells me that there's a legal loop hole I can have the same capacity as my pistol.
Next thing I read is this post of this coming to an end before I even get my rifle.
I was hoping for a sale (fat chance anyway) but maybe I should pick up the AR I want anyway and pick up a bunch of those mags before they take them off the shelf like the 10/22 25rounders
 
Asmitty941 said:
Ya this is a real piss off. I'm just getting into the sport. And was hoping to get an AR15 this year. And then someone tells me that there's a legal loop hole I can have the same capacity as my pistol.
Next thing I read is this post of this coming to an end before I even get my rifle.
I was hoping for a sale (fat chance anyway) but maybe I should pick up the AR I want anyway and pick up a bunch of those mags before they take them off the shelf like the 10/22 25rounders
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You can just get a bunch of LAR10 mags, and best case scenario, you get to have 10 rounds forever. Worst case scenario you have to pin them to 5 at some point in the future.
 
Bad Lieutenant said:
Yup, unfortunately at some point, some unstable, unlicensed criminal with a illegal gun smuggled in from the US will kill some people here.

And as for the shooter, (if he doesn't kill himself or become a trophy-scalp for a trigger-happy cop)

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So you had me agreeing with you until this crap about trigger happy cop dealing with in your words a psychopath on a murder spree. So you clearly buy into this liberal media and political goal of vilifying police dispite the actual facts. Look forward to seeing you on the news at a Black Lives Matter demonstration.
 
Asmitty941 said:
Ya this is a real piss off. I'm just getting into the sport. And was hoping to get an AR15 this year. And then someone tells me that there's a legal loop hole I can have the same capacity as my pistol.
Next thing I read is this post of this coming to an end before I even get my rifle.
I was hoping for a sale (fat chance anyway) but maybe I should pick up the AR I want anyway and pick up a bunch of those mags before they take them off the shelf like the 10/22 25rounders
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Yes. Yes you should pick up that AR-15 you want and buy your pistol or .50B mags. The more that's out there the more problems the Government/RCMP have trying to prohibit them. Also, they're a riot. I loaned a new shooter my .50 mags this weekend at the range. Should have seen his face light up. He's buying some. :D
 
Asmitty941 said:
Ya this is a real piss off. I'm just getting into the sport. And was hoping to get an AR15 this year. And then someone tells me that there's a legal loop hole I can have the same capacity as my pistol.
Next thing I read is this post of this coming to an end before I even get my rifle.
I was hoping for a sale (fat chance anyway) but maybe I should pick up the AR I want anyway and pick up a bunch of those mags before they take them off the shelf like the 10/22 25rounders
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Yes. Yes you should pick up that AR-15 you want and buy your pistol or .50B mags. The more that's out there the more problems the Government/RCMP have trying to prohibit them. Also, they're a riot. I loaned a new shooter my .50 mags this weekend at the range. Should have seen his face light up. He's buying some. :D
 
Oh I know they are fun as hell. That's my problem. I went to a few charity events and shot a few now I'm addicted. I have to get my rifle to satisfy it. My wallet is the only thing that will hate me. After buying ammo for my pistol and my shotgun then I'll have the ar15. Poor wallet. Oh well. Too much fun. Take that rcmp.
 
This :bsFlag: with the rcmp has just started.
If the Liberals give the mounties the exclusive power to classify/re-classify firearms I predict that they will be going after semi auto versions of ars and short barreled rifles and shotguns in short order.
 
VinnyQC said:
You are aware that a lot of laws are based on emotions, and are completely unsupported by science, right? This true in many aspects of our lives touched by laws and regulations made in ottawa and the 10 provinces, not just about firearms.

As for the insanity of magazines regulations, which has reached its pinnacle with the 10/22 fiasco imho, it's still just the tip of the iceberg. Many laws and regulations are a lot more far fetched, we've just become so used to them that we don't notice them anymore, but anyone new to the firearms hobby automatically wonders why:
1-AR15 are restricted based on their look;
2-32acp and 25acp are prohibited based on someone's feeling in 1992 (that's just my best guess, nobody seems to really know wtf these guns are banned);
3-Ammos for 32acp and 25acp can still be sold;
4-Smith & Wessons's M&P15-22 (a rimfire rifle which shares 0 part with an AR-15) is restricted based on sharing a name and a look with the M&P15, which is restricted due to its look (it's an AR15);
5-The 10/22 charger is considered a pistol because Ruger calls it a pistol, although it has no characteristics of a pistol, but has every one of a rifle;
6-I'm not sure I want to keep going on.

A lot of these laws are based on the fear caused by mass shootings in another country.
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Well said!

haretrigger said:
Magazine limits should be determined by how far the base plate is from the magazine lips, not the Liberal Pop Riveter's Association.
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Again, very well said! Haha :)

RooGaboo said:
Yep, keep it really simple, magazine restrictions are proven ineffective nonsense. Remove mag restrictions of all kinds from the legislation!
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I agree completely. Although if we MUST have magazine limits, then keep it simple. Rimfire = no limit. Centerfire anything = 10 rounds.
 
TSE JR said:
Here is the contact information.

The Honourable Steven Blaney
Email:steven.blaney@parl.gc.ca

Hill Office
House of Commons
Ottawa, Ontario
Canada
K1A 0A6

Telephone: 613-992-7434
Fax: 613-995-6856

Mail may be sent postage-free to any Member of Parliament.

Constituency Office(s)
115 President Kennedy Road (Main Office)
Suite 101
Lévis, Québec
G6V 6C8
Telephone: 418-830-0500
Fax: 418-830-0504
1516-D Route 277
Lac-Etchemin, Québec
G0R 1S0
Telephone: 418-625-2626
Fax: 418-625-4663

http://www.parl.gc.ca/Parliamentaria...ney(35389)
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As I read this thread again I'm left wondering if everyone has also emailed/ faxed/ snail-mailed their points, arguments, rants, letters...whatever you write to at very least Steven Blaney listed above. It's not enough to say it here.

This thread is moving down the list, can it be bumped to top, or made sticky? I'm not exactly sure how to do that. We need to get more exposure, get everyone involved. Here's my letter, I know it's not perfect, I don't know everything there is to know about how this works, It was an emotional response...I strongly encourage you to write your own, but if you want to copy this one, sign it, amend it go ahead but send something...just get our words sent. I also encourage you to get more educated about it, as will I and send these letters weekly.

To the Honorable Steven Blaney MP,


I'm writing to show my concern and ask why the parliamentary process has been thrown away when it comes to firearm owners and ownership in our country? Why have we let a police force make a mockery of our lawmaking procedures. The RCMP seem to have more power than the system that created it. They are disregarding the procedures they've sworn to uphold...they're acting Judge, Jury, Executioner, and we're letting them strip away our rights. Furthermore their press releases have been passed off as law, and seem to be purposefully confusing to entrap law abiding citizens, so that our firearms can be confiscated.

When we were children we were taught how a bill becomes a law (http://www.lop.parl.gc.ca/About/Parliament/GuideToHoC/making-e.htm) Do we need to be sending everyone back to grade school?
Where is the parliamentary process when it comes to re-classifying my property to make it illegal for me to own? What is going on? This is being done without warning and in a backdoor kind of way.

The RCMP can't even change laws that are too lenient on ### offenders and people doing heinous crimes, but somehow they are able to skirt the procedures and release a bulletin making the property of law abiding citizens illegal. Possibly making us criminals for owning these items, items we've owned for over 25 years! I just recently became aware that some of my legally purchased possessions were now slated to be arbitrarily illegal for me to possess. What if I had taken my .22 magazines out to shoot, and was inspected. I would be charged. I would now be relieved of all my firearms and have to deal with Lawyers and hefty fines, and the risk of up to 2 years jail time! It would be left up to me to prove that this isn't law, just a bulletin from a police force that thinks it's lawmaker instead of law enforcer. Why would they be given the power to recommend these items be legal, allowing us to think we're in the clear and purchase them, only to change their mind and try to reverse that same law with a press release. I can imagine how these meetings went; "No need to create a bill, why would we do that? That would just give people a chance to stand up for their rights! We'll just scoot it in the backdoor so they think they have no choice" Where are our rights in this police state of affairs, this is my personal property, I have broken no laws! I am aware of no recent incident that would point to these platforms all of a sudden being public enemy number one! Honestly, the educated know this platform is used to teach or train, and to hunt rabbits and prairie dogs! This seems like countless money, and resources have been spent on something that has zero effect on public safety. Ironically this at a time that the RCMP claims it has insufficient resources to protect Canadians against terrorism, or issue equipment to it's own to enable them to do their job. This lack of judgement in spending became apparent just this past week when the RCMP failed to learn of a planned terror attack in a tiny town by someone who is known to them! Somehow our neighbors the FBI knew...thank God for dumb luck!

Earlier this year when a properly documented petition filed by Conservative MP Bob Zimmer, the AR-15 petition, E-111 was cast aside without even a side glance. If we were to try and decipher why this rifle is restricted and so many others it's equal are not, the only thing we could say is discrimination. I thought we no longer based opinions and policy on discrimination in this Great Country? Why was it a mistake when the CZ and the Swiss Arms were wrongly reclassified but somehow not the Ar15, we all know it was also wrong to reclassify the Ar15? They should all be non-restricted!

This is truly Un-Canadian, and a blatant disregard for the laws and processes we are (trying) to be proud of in this Country. Something MUST be done. I believe that you Honourable, Mr. Blaney are someone who agrees with these points, am I wrong? So rather than just complain I'm now standing up and getting involved. Expect to hear from me, and everyone else I can convince weekly.

Concerned,
D. Burke
 
stillunshaken said:
As I read this thread again I'm left wondering if everyone has also emailed/ faxed/ snail-mailed their points, arguments, rants, letters...whatever you write to at very least Steven Blaney listed above. It's not enough to say it here.

This thread is moving down the list, can it be bumped to top, or made sticky? I'm not exactly sure how to do that. We need to get more exposure, get everyone involved. Here's my letter, I know it's not perfect, I don't know everything there is to know about how this works, It was an emotional response...I strongly encourage you to write your own, but if you want to copy this one, sign it, amend it go ahead but send something...just get our words sent. I also encourage you to get more educated about it, as will I and send these letters weekly.

To the Honorable Steven Blaney MP,


I'm writing to show my concern and ask why the parliamentary process has been thrown away when it comes to firearm owners and ownership in our country? Why have we let a police force make a mockery of our lawmaking procedures. The RCMP seem to have more power than the system that created it. They are disregarding the procedures they've sworn to uphold...they're acting Judge, Jury, Executioner, and we're letting them strip away our rights. Furthermore their press releases have been passed off as law, and seem to be purposefully confusing to entrap law abiding citizens, so that our firearms can be confiscated.

When we were children we were taught how a bill becomes a law (http://www.lop.parl.gc.ca/About/Parliament/GuideToHoC/making-e.htm) Do we need to be sending everyone back to grade school?
Where is the parliamentary process when it comes to re-classifying my property to make it illegal for me to own? What is going on? This is being done without warning and in a backdoor kind of way.

The RCMP can't even change laws that are too lenient on ### offenders and people doing heinous crimes, but somehow they are able to skirt the procedures and release a bulletin making the property of law abiding citizens illegal. Possibly making us criminals for owning these items, items we've owned for over 25 years! I just recently became aware that some of my legally purchased possessions were now slated to be arbitrarily illegal for me to possess. What if I had taken my .22 magazines out to shoot, and was inspected. I would be charged. I would now be relieved of all my firearms and have to deal with Lawyers and hefty fines, and the risk of up to 2 years jail time! It would be left up to me to prove that this isn't law, just a bulletin from a police force that thinks it's lawmaker instead of law enforcer. Why would they be given the power to recommend these items be legal, allowing us to think we're in the clear and purchase them, only to change their mind and try to reverse that same law with a press release. I can imagine how these meetings went; "No need to create a bill, why would we do that? That would just give people a chance to stand up for their rights! We'll just scoot it in the backdoor so they think they have no choice" Where are our rights in this police state of affairs, this is my personal property, I have broken no laws! I am aware of no recent incident that would point to these platforms all of a sudden being public enemy number one! Honestly, the educated know this platform is used to teach or train, and to hunt rabbits and prairie dogs! This seems like countless money, and resources have been spent on something that has zero effect on public safety. Ironically this at a time that the RCMP claims it has insufficient resources to protect Canadians against terrorism, or issue equipment to it's own to enable them to do their job. This lack of judgement in spending became apparent just this past week when the RCMP failed to learn of a planned terror attack in a tiny town by someone who is known to them! Somehow our neighbors the FBI knew...thank God for dumb luck!

Earlier this year when a properly documented petition filed by Conservative MP Bob Zimmer, the AR-15 petition, E-111 was cast aside without even a side glance. If we were to try and decipher why this rifle is restricted and so many others it's equal are not, the only thing we could say is discrimination. I thought we no longer based opinions and policy on discrimination in this Great Country? Why was it a mistake when the CZ and the Swiss Arms were wrongly reclassified but somehow not the Ar15, we all know it was also wrong to reclassify the Ar15? They should all be non-restricted!

This is truly Un-Canadian, and a blatant disregard for the laws and processes we are (trying) to be proud of in this Country. Something MUST be done. I believe that you Honourable, Mr. Blaney are someone who agrees with these points, am I wrong? So rather than just complain I'm now standing up and getting involved. Expect to hear from me, and everyone else I can convince weekly.

Concerned,
D. Burke
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Mr Burke,

Ensure that Mr Diefenbaker gets a copy as well.
 
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