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I just read another thread last week about this very incident, but thought, "That'll never happen to me." But it did.

I was going through some old reloading stuff I have had in a box for 30 years or more. Among the contents were some .22 Hornet cartridges that I'd loaded back when I was shooting that cartridge. I believed I knew what the load was because I still have all my reloading logs from those days. But I thought I'd dismantle one of them to verify that the powder charge was what I expected.

I have used one of those hammer-type inertia pullers since the 80's; I still use it today, although that may change after this experience. I put one of the Hornet rounds into the puller and gave a good whack. I knew it would take a couple and because the bullets are light, would take several good, hard hits. Hit the floor once, nothing (as expected). Hit it again, and there was a pretty loud crack, powder hit my face, and I heard the case hit the ceiling. The bullet was in the bottom of the puller but the powder charge and case shot out like a rocket. The primer obviously went off with sufficient force to fire the bullet and powder charge. Fortunately because the powder was well on its way from the pressure of the primer it didn't ignite.

I've used this puller for many years and have never encountered this before. I think what I've learned is that they work well for heavier bullets that have sufficient mass that you don't have to swing the puller terribly hard. But the lighter the bullet, the less momentum and therefore the harder you have to hit the puller. I've been using it with 20 and 25 grain bullets more recently and have learned that you really have to smack it hard to dislodge the bullet. Obviously the harder you hit, the more possibility of the mass of the primer casing hitting the anvil with sufficient force to detonate.

I wasn't hurt at all, but if that case had shot out in the right direction it could have done serious damage to an eye (I was wearing glasses). Worse, if the powder charge had ignited, things could have been much worse.

Lesson learned, I think.
 
I suppose most of us who have pulled many bullets with the hammer method, have cursed, then started looking for the case, bullet and eventually cleaning up the powder from the floor and from every nook and cranny it can find.
But no, the primer doesn't fire.
It seems like when only a light tap is needed to give the final extraction of the bullet, a hard whack will really send the bullet out, where it seems to hit the bottom hard, then the momentum of it bouncing back, sends the little squeeze on cap off and the internal parts of the cartridge fly all over the place.
 
I'm not sure why anyone would take a plastic hammer and go about whacking it against a concrete floor?
I use a chunk of rubber mudflap or a block of wood between the floor and hammer face.
Just me though.
 
I have one of the early inertia pullers from about 30 years ago. I tried to replace it once with an all plastic model after the metal handle on my first unit broke out of the base. The all plastic model was a piece of crap and had to much "absorption" to properly pull any bullet.

I took the old puller and used some Acra Glass to glue it all back together with copper wire wrap for more strength. I was using the top of a steel table because of its rigidity. Luckily I never had the issue the OP did.

I now have a 20 pound lead plate I found at a junk shop a few miles from home. $10. When I pull bullets now I whack the hammer against this lead plate. It acts like a dead blow hammer in reverse and should alleviate your issues.

Depending on how many you're going to pull, Forester and RCBS make some very good collet pullers that fit in your single stage press.
 
I suppose most of us who have pulled many bullets with the hammer method, have cursed, then started looking for the case, bullet and eventually cleaning up the powder from the floor and from every nook and cranny it can find.
But no, the primer doesn't fire.
It seems like when only a light tap is needed to give the final extraction of the bullet, a hard whack will really send the bullet out, where it seems to hit the bottom hard, then the momentum of it bouncing back, sends the little squeeze on cap off and the internal parts of the cartridge fly all over the place.

I haven't been able to locate the case yet, but this incident was definitely not one of those where momentum just kind of sends everything flying. The sound was considerably louder than this normally makes, and the case shot out of the back of the puller with sufficient velocity that it hit the ceiling (8 feet away) with sufficient force that my wife upstairs yelled "what just happened?". I'm fairly certain the primer detonated. I have pulled many, many bullets over the years this way and have never encountered anything like this before.

The bullet itself remained in the puller and the end of it is quite deformed as well. No trace of any powder or the case, however. I should mention as well that "the little squeeze on cap" remained in place; the case and powder shot out of the hole in that collet. I'll be searching for it today, but it shot at pretty high velocity so it could be anywhere :)
 
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I have one of the early inertia pullers from about 30 years ago. I tried to replace it once with an all plastic model after the metal handle on my first unit broke out of the base. The all plastic model was a piece of crap and had to much "absorption" to properly pull any bullet.

I took the old puller and used some Acra Glass to glue it all back together with copper wire wrap for more strength. I was using the top of a steel table because of its rigidity. Luckily I never had the issue the OP did.

I now have a 20 pound lead plate I found at a junk shop a few miles from home. $10. When I pull bullets now I whack the hammer against this lead plate. It acts like a dead blow hammer in reverse and should alleviate your issues.

Depending on how many you're going to pull, Forester and RCBS make some very good collet pullers that fit in your single stage press.

I bought mine about 30 years ago as well. It's branded Lyman and has the aluminum handle. I'm aware of the collet pullers but never bought one. I used my inertia puller successfully for so many years that I never saw the need. Furthermore, I believe that some of the bullets I am loading these days don't have sufficient bearing surface for the collet to grab onto. These are 20 grain VMAX, seated to spec for the .17 Hornet. Do you think a collet puller will work on something like this without destroying the bullet? The jackets are extremely thin on these little guys.
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I'm not sure why anyone would take a plastic hammer and go about whacking it against a concrete floor?
I use a chunk of rubber mudflap or a block of wood between the floor and hammer face.
Just me though.

Well, I don't think I'll be hitting the floor directly any more, Looky :) But what I have found, since loading the .17 calibre, is that the light bullets (and also a light powder charge behind it) take more force to dislodge than heavier ones. But we're never too old to learn something new, right?
 
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I'm not sure why anyone would take a plastic hammer and go about whacking it against a concrete floor?
I use a chunk of rubber mudflap or a block of wood between the floor and hammer face.
Just me though.


I've always used the cut side of a wood block to cushion the hammer a bit A rubber mat is a great idea as well..

But the OP's post is good to keep in mind if ever pulling light bullets.
 
Nudder tip fur yewse awll.
The Lee shell holders for the hand held priming system works
for these hammering devices too.

Jest sewse's yeah know............:wave:
 
Yeah, i went with the collet pullers and haven't looked back! Safe as safe can be, no effort, and actually much quicker than the kinetic one i used to have.
OP - Glad you didn't get hurt!
 
I really like using the Hornady Cam-Lock Bullet Puller, I got a couple of collets for it,
It makes it easy and no waste of powder, the collet leaves minimal markings too.

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I have a little piece of foam IN my inertia puller. Helps absorb some of the impact, and saves the projectile from deforming
 
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I'm not sure why anyone would take a plastic hammer and go about whacking it against a concrete floor?
I use a chunk of rubber mudflap or a block of wood between the floor and hammer face.
Just me though.

My inertia puller has a VFD bore cleaning pellet stuffed in the bottom to cushion the bullet when it comes free of the case and I use a hockey puck to whack it on .
 
OP: There is simply no way the primer ignited from an inertial bullet puller. I have pounded the crap out of my inertial puller on a cement floor and never seen a primer ignite. Also, think about what is required for a primer to be ignited and you will realize it is not possible.

Most likely what happened was the bullet slammed forward, bounced off the end of the puller and ricocheted backwards, striking the case mouth which sent the case flying out of the puller. This would also produce the loud "crack" you heard


I have a little piece of foam IN my inertia puller. Helps absorb some of the impact, and saves the projectile from deforming

This!
 
It would be extremely unlikely that the primer fired.
The primer is completely protected from any direct hit, with anything, no matter how hard you whack it and the primer must be hit sharply to fire.
Had the primer fired, it almost certainly would have ignited the powder, in the small, confined space of the pounder. So the fact there is loose powder all over, indicates to me the primer didn't fire.
Primers give off a lot of black, carbon like soot when they fire. If you don't think so, just fire a seated primer in a case in your rifle and see what the inside of the case looks like!
If the primer had fired, the bullet would be covered with black soot.
 
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