Beretta’s New Concealed-Carry Gun Coming This Fall

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Beretta’s New Concealed-Carry Gun Coming This Fall

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Beretta’s New Concealed-Carry Gun Coming This Fall

POSTED BY: MATTHEW COX AUGUST 17, 2016
Beretta’s updated version of its PX4 Storm is scheduled to be available for sale this fall.

I’ve received several emails this year since I first wrote about the PX4 Compact Carry at SHOT Show 2016 from readers asking when the new pistol will be ready.

The PX4 Compact Carry was inspired by inspired by firearms trainer Earnest Langdon, a paid consultant for Beretta.
Langdon set out to fix what he didn’t like on the PX4 Compact, such as over-sized safety levers and the overly slick grip.

Langdon said he purchased the PX4 and began working on it before approaching Beretta on the improvements. After about 4,000 rounds, he approached Beretta with changes that include low-profile safety levers and slide stop to make the gun a slimmer profile for concealed carry.

It has an improved trigger pull, a larger magazine-release button, high-visibility night sights and Talon wrap-around grips for more secure handling. The slide on the new PX4 Compact Carry also features a new, gray Cerakote finish.

Changes to the custom night sights caused delays because they had to be shipped back to Italy for inspection, Langdon said.

Langdon, who served 12 years in the Marine Corps, is a fan of double-action pistols like the Beretta M9. He has won six of his national pistol championships with a Beretta 92.

Beretta hopes to have the PX4 Compact Carry available for sale sometime between September and October, Langdon said.

The new pistol will likely cost about $200 more than the $650 price tag on the standard model, Langdon said.

“You are getting night sights, you are getting grips, you are getting a better trigger, you’re getting the safety levers,” Langdon said in January at SHOT.

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Makes no difference to us Canadians.

Unfortunately even with the improvements they're still behind in the game. And I'm a former Beretta fan.
 
For a dedicated CCW firearm, I really dislike a DA first pull. It is not a problem as long as the shooter trains regularly. My experience (at least in Phoenix,AZ) is that CCW is done by lil' ol' men and women with teeny, tiny guns that they just dump in their purses and never shoot. Under pressure for these folks, a DA/SA gun will be a detriment to accuracy, but the heavier DA pull should prevent some NDs!
My choice is always a compact polymer pistol, a G19 to be exact. But a M&P Shield will work nicely too.
The really small guns like a Boberg or the baby Glocks packing major calibers is a waste of time IMO. The recoil, flash and lower muzzle velocity all make these poor choices unless one trains regularly and can control them.
The DA/SA pull and the slide mounted safety of the new Storm will NOT make this my first choice for a CCW gun. And I currently own a 92Compact! I got it to try it for IDPA and after one range session, found it lacking.
YMMV.
 
But the DA first shot of a DA/SA and a stryker fired have about the same weight trigger, then after the first shot is fired the DA/SA is now in SA with a light trigger and the stryker fired still has the heavy trigger.
 
xldbldbl said:
But the DA first shot of a DA/SA and a stryker fired have about the same weight trigger, then after the first shot is fired the DA/SA is now in SA with a light trigger and the stryker fired still has the heavy trigger.
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A striker fired handgun has about a 3.5-5.5lb pull and the pull is consistent. A DA/SA is closer to a 12/4 pull if unmodified. Adapting your finger from DA to SA in an emergency situation along with no training is no help to accuracy.
Remember, I'm not talking about avid shooters here, just the avg. Joe who CCs thinking the gun has magical force field powers just by sticking it in their pants.
 
Still alive said:
For a dedicated CCW firearm, I really dislike a DA first pull. It is not a problem as long as the shooter trains regularly. My experience (at least in Phoenix,AZ) is that CCW is done by lil' ol' men and women with teeny, tiny guns that they just dump in their purses and never shoot. Under pressure for these folks, a DA/SA gun will be a detriment to accuracy, but the heavier DA pull should prevent some NDs!
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Here in Montana, as it is CCW for those who aren't open carrying, I don't know who is carrying, much less what they're carrying. But between friends and acquaintances that I know carry and teaching for a training company here, people carry everything from full size service pistols, to subcompacts, to a couple who carry something in a mouse gun caliber. In the smaller sizes, J frames type revolvers and S&W Shields seem to be the big favorites. In the service pistol sizes, a lot of 1911 Commander/Officer variants as well as the tupperware stuff. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to who carries what, but there seems to be at least some reasoning behind it when you talk to people about their choices.

As far as ND's, however many there are, they very rarely make the news. And Missoula is a little piece of California transplanted to Montana, thanks to the university. If you have an ND, the newspaper is definitely going to let the world know about it.

The really small guns like a Boberg or the baby Glocks packing major calibers is a waste of time IMO. The recoil, flash and lower muzzle velocity all make these poor choices unless one trains regularly and can control them.YMMV.
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If "major" actually means "bigger", then you are probably right. Fackler, Roberts, et al have been finding and pointing out for something like ten years now that currently all the service calibers are pretty much on par with each other these days as far as terminal performance. All service ammunition is designed to perform within a velocity envelope, and that includes the velocity of the 3" compacts.

Muzzle flash is an overblown issue in my opinion and individual experience, both from shooting at night in the military with tritium sights, and with handguns on the range here at night on some of our night shoots. After the first shot, you might not have lost most of your night vision, but enough that picking up the sights quickly again... maybe not so much. For somebody who thinks their greatest threat is most likely to happen in the dark (the ubiquitous pizza delivery man), there are lots of fine laser sights available, and not a few concealed carry handguns that come with them already mounted. My wife's 638 being one of them - unfortunately, no longer offered with the 3" bbl.

Recoil is a matter of making intelligent choices in the larger calibers. If somebody buys a .40 S&W Kahr or shield and then chooses 180 grain service ammunition, there will indeed be a recoil penalty. Pick something more appropriate for the size of the pistol, and you will have very different results. A 140 grain TAC-XP, for example, is not going to have much in the way of difference in recoil than a 147 grain 9mm bullet of whatever flavor you put your trust in. I have had a chance to try that round in a friend's Shield, and if you could tell the difference between it and a 9mm, you have much more perceptive hands than I do. Having said all of that, when the SMEs looking at the results of hundreds of OISs every year say the service calibers are all on par with each other as far as terminal performance, I am not sure why somebody wouldn't choose the 9mm, just for the extra magazine capacity alone. I respect those at the other end of the spectrum who believe the .45 ACP is as good as it gets and "They all fall to ball", but that's not what I see real world results from the US supporting, so I don't go down that path.

As for the Beretta... can't feel the love. Langdon is a hell of a shooter, but he would be just as good if you put another company's pistol in his hands. It will be interesting to see what they're like to shoot when they eventually turn up at the range, however. Like a lot of other firearms, there are a lot of Americans who have served in the military whose introduction to a handgun was one with "Beretta" engraved on it. For a lot of those people, a defensive handgun based on a pistol they're already familiar with has a lot of appeal.
 
The PX4 is the "issued' duty pistol for CBSA (Border Service officers) while they "sold" the rotating barrel for "softer" felt recoil, the heavy trigger pull has taken it's toll on weaker shooters. The "re-branded" Cougar just can't cut it as a duty pistol IMO.
 
Still alive said:
A striker fired handgun has about a 3.5-5.5lb pull and the pull is consistent. A DA/SA is closer to a 12/4 pull if unmodified. Adapting your finger from DA to SA in an emergency situation along with no training is no help to accuracy.
Remember, I'm not talking about avid shooters here, just the avg. Joe who CCs thinking the gun has magical force field powers just by sticking it in their pants.
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I have never seen a Stryker that low out of the box, usually 5.5 and up but have seen DA/SA that were 6.5 DA and 3.5 SA out of the box.
 
Sorry, is this a thread about carrying? Last time I check we were not allowed to carry so where are all these experts in 'carry' coming from ? LOLOLOL. ONLY IN CGN!

If you carry, (which you do not because we live in Canada), just carry what you shoot the best.

Now going back to the original thread, this gun is garbage.
 
Avenida said:
Sorry, is this a thread about carrying? Last time I check we were not allowed to carry so where are all these experts in 'carry' coming from ? LOLOLOL. ONLY IN CGN!

If you carry, (which you do not because we live in Canada), just carry what you shoot the best.
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I wasn't aware you knew of my street address - which isn't in Canada for most of the time. Only on Gunputz do you find so many Amazing Kreskins who know where everybody lives. Or who does and doesn't have a wilderness ATC,

Now that said, as you apparently DO live in Canada only, and if we do follow your line of thinking, you certainly aren't "expert in carry" enough to offer anyone any opinions on what they should and should not carry. Correct?

The thread is about a handgun intended for carrying, not bullseye or PPC shooting. A discussion of how well it suits the purpose it was intended for really isn't off the topic.

Now going back to the original thread, this gun is garbage.
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You appear to be the only one here who has had an opportunity to try this new and improved variant of the original gun. Langdon has worked with manufacturers before to come up with some pretty impressive models (i.e. the Brigadier Tactical) that were an improvement on the original Beretta they were based on, so why don't you share with us what you found in shooting this pistol that led you to believe it is "garbage"?

You DID actually shoot this pistol before pronouncing it garbage, didn't you?

Beretta handguns don't feel good in the hands to me at all, but I wouldn't call a firearm "garbage" that I'd never laid a finger on, much less shot it.
 
I don't usually spend a lot of my time wishful thinking on things I cannot do nor I go asking for opinions On carry on cgn for the same reason I don't order sushi at gas stations: I can foresee the result.

As for this gun, it is small px4, therefore my opinion remains the same: garbage.
 
Avenida said:
I don't usually spend a lot of my time wishful thinking on things I cannot do nor I go asking for opinions On carry on cgn for the same reason I don't order sushi at gas stations: I can foresee the result.
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And yet, oddly enough, you have held forth here and elsewhere on concealed carry and what is and isn't good for EDC. Weren't you the guy advocating a Bersa for concealed carry if it ever came to Canada, not too long ago? Whatever had you spending time posting your wishful thinking there?

As for this gun, it is small px4, therefore my opinion remains the same: garbage.
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Let's forget for a minute you live in Canada and can't carry concealed, and therefore by your own standards you have no business offering an opinion on anything to do with concealed carry, including a pistol that you haven't even laid a finger on.

So - assuming you actually have fired a px4 - the fact that there have been significant modifications means nothing to you. Because when it gets right down to it, you haven't laid a finger on one of these pistols, have you?

This would be rather like somebody like me, who shot government 1911s back in the early 70's, sneering and saying I don't need to even try any of the current 1911s: they're all jam-o-matics that you can't hit a barn door with unless you first send them to some gifted pistolsmith. I don't need to even lay a finger on one; I shot their predecessors, and that's all I need to know.

So we have you, posting that you compete in IPSC and IDPA saying the Earnest Langdon model of the Beretta is junk. Then we have Earnest Langdon who has won the IDPA championships... what... six or seven times now? How does his trophy wall compare to yours? How many companies like Wilson Combat have happily manufactured a model with YOUR modifications and suggestions - and ended up producing a winner in doing that?

He's also a gunsmith - how does your mechanical knowledge and aptitude regarding firearms compare to his? You a gunsmith who can sort out issues with a make and model of a firearm and make improvements to it?

That would be the same Langdon who actually fought in Panama, the Gulf, etc. Okay... he probably didn't do that fighting with a pistol, and maybe you were there fighting right beside him, so that doesn't count for anything.

But how about the fact he's also worked in - and taught - on High Risk teams? That would be like our Close Protection guys; perhaps you did the course in your time in the military, I don't know. And then there's his background in anti-terrorism training and units. That kind of work DOES involve handguns, and fighting with handguns. Not uncommon to carry them concealed in that scenario as well.

And your background and training in those arenas is... what exactly?

Nevertheless, here you are to tell us Langdon can't possibly get anything right in designing and directing the manufacture of this variant on that particular Beretta platform. Because the results of his experience, his work, his suggestions, and implementations are "garbage". And you don't even have to lay one little finger on one of those pistols to assure us that's a fact.

Fascinating.

Y'know, I probably wouldn't like this pistol, being a single stage kind of guy who gravitates to High Powers and the odd 1911. But the idea of blowing into town to pronounce a gun you have never touched as "garbage", and we shouldn't even be discussing something the vast majority of us can't even do is pretty sophomoric.

And aggravating - did I mention that?
 
Chris, from Lucky Gunner, did a review of the PX4 Compact, making mention of the Compact Carry. His PX4 Compact has a lot of the same modifications as the Compact Carry. He's also a proponent of DA/SA.

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You should spend your energy in more important things than trying to argue with me. I am not sure what are you trying to prove by arguing with me and digging in my old posts.

I am not aware of who the person you talk about is and I do not care and last but not least, I could not care less about his trophies or if he is faster than Ernie Hill.
If you want to support him and this gun, by all means go ahead, but we can stop this pissing contest right now, as I am not interested in hearing or knowing about this person and his modified PX4.

Sorry if I touched any sensitivities criticizing this pistol, I would not buy a Beretta pistol in a million years but give me one of their shotguns any day of the week all day long.

Good luck and be safe.

Rick said:
And yet, oddly enough, you have held forth here and elsewhere on concealed carry and what is and isn't good for EDC. Weren't you the guy advocating a Bersa for concealed carry if it ever came to Canada, not too long ago? Whatever had you spending time posting your wishful thinking there?



Let's forget for a minute you live in Canada and can't carry concealed, and therefore by your own standards you have no business offering an opinion on anything to do with concealed carry, including a pistol that you haven't even laid a finger on.

So - assuming you actually have fired a px4 - the fact that there have been significant modifications means nothing to you. Because when it gets right down to it, you haven't laid a finger on one of these pistols, have you?

This would be rather like somebody like me, who shot government 1911s back in the early 70's, sneering and saying I don't need to even try any of the current 1911s: they're all jam-o-matics that you can't hit a barn door with unless you first send them to some gifted pistolsmith. I don't need to even lay a finger on one; I shot their predecessors, and that's all I need to know.

So we have you, posting that you compete in IPSC and IDPA saying the Earnest Langdon model of the Beretta is junk. Then we have Earnest Langdon who has won the IDPA championships... what... six or seven times now? How does his trophy wall compare to yours? How many companies like Wilson Combat have happily manufactured a model with YOUR modifications and suggestions - and ended up producing a winner in doing that?

He's also a gunsmith - how does your mechanical knowledge and aptitude regarding firearms compare to his? You a gunsmith who can sort out issues with a make and model of a firearm and make improvements to it?

That would be the same Langdon who actually fought in Panama, the Gulf, etc. Okay... he probably didn't do that fighting with a pistol, and maybe you were there fighting right beside him, so that doesn't count for anything.

But how about the fact he's also worked in - and taught - on High Risk teams? That would be like our Close Protection guys; perhaps you did the course in your time in the military, I don't know. And then there's his background in anti-terrorism training and units. That kind of work DOES involve handguns, and fighting with handguns. Not uncommon to carry them concealed in that scenario as well.

And your background and training in those arenas is... what exactly?

Nevertheless, here you are to tell us Langdon can't possibly get anything right in designing and directing the manufacture of this variant on that particular Beretta platform. Because the results of his experience, his work, his suggestions, and implementations are "garbage". And you don't even have to lay one little finger on one of those pistols to assure us that's a fact.

Fascinating.

Y'know, I probably wouldn't like this pistol, being a single stage kind of guy who gravitates to High Powers and the odd 1911. But the idea of blowing into town to pronounce a gun you have never touched as "garbage", and we shouldn't even be discussing something the vast majority of us can't even do is pretty sophomoric.

And aggravating - did I mention that?
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Im sorry but if you do not know who Earnest Langdon is then you have a very limited knowledge of handguns and shooting sports but that is just my opinion and is probably worth about as much as your opinion on Beretta handguns.

Since the mid 1970's Beretta's have been used by more military and police agencies around the world than any other brand for a reason.

Saying " I would not buy a Beretta pistol in a million years" and "this gun is garbage" without ever shooting one just proves your closed mindedness and renders your opinions on the subject null and void.

Assuming that you know what IPSC is and who Ben Stoeger is, the Beretta 92 was good enough to place 2nd in production at the world shoot in 2011, amongst 2000-3000 competitors shooting just about every thing available under the sun. After switching to the Tanfogilo, which, is arguably the top, stock, out of the box firearm for practical defense type competitions, he finished 3rd in production in 2014, thus proving that an almost 30 year old design was still as fast and as accurate and as reliable as anything being currently built.

Also, I dont quite understand your statement "As for this gun, it is small px4, therefore my opinion remains the same: garbage." as I have fired the PX4 on several occasions and found it as accurate and as reliable as any other polymer in that size and price range that I have fired, regardless of being a DA/SA or Stryker.
 
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