M305 and Tula ammo kaboom

take care of your tools and they will take care of you. you don't see guys with $3000 rigs putting tula into them. I wouldn't take it if you gave it to me for free. I like my m305 too much.
 
LordEvilPepper said:
I put thousand of rounds of cheap crap through my rifles... not an issue,

it was federal premium that blew my gun up...
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Federal premium is known for K-B events in floating firing pin guns. Federal premium uses federal match primers, one of the softest primers around. I would only shoot mil spec ammo or ammo with CCI 34 primers in any M14 clone. YMMV.

As an aside, Norinco receivers are well made. It's only the bolts themselves I've ever had issue with, and when I ran these guns a lot, I usually dropped in a GI bolt.
 
The exact same thing happened to me with Tula Ammo in my M305 yet I've had a 1000 rounds of Chinese 7.62x51 through it without so much as a flattened primer. It's a Tula ammo problem and if you google Tula Ammo you'll turn up dozens of other cases of people's AR-15's, M1A's and various other rifles blowing up. Stay away from Tula Ammo if you like your rifle or your eyes!!!
 
LordEvilPepper said:
they are not all junk... they are mostly junk.

-If the stars aline and tengo is pleased get yourself a unicorn, it shoots awesome hitting that MOA region, no issues
-you might get a decent one that shots acceptable groups and has no issues
-you will probably get one that shoots crap, and has a few ####ed up parts. But is sub $200 to get running well
-you may get a problem child, were a major component if not all of them are ####ed, such as bad head spacing due to a bad bolt, barrel, or reciever. Maybe a bent op rod, out of spec gas system, or even a complete triger group failure. Its going to cost more then the rifle to fix, and maybe even cost as much as a Springfield to get going.
-There is a small chance you will get an epic kaboom rifle that will net you a 20 000 view thread on CGN, such as the one were it shot the barrel off, or the one that put part of the bolt back into the side of buddies head, or like this one, destructed the rifle
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thus saith the guy who gets struck by lightning and or a bus crossing the street- i'm well familiar with your "luck" quite frankly, if we were to be on the same street in Edmonton, i'd go out of my way to avoid you
 
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t-star said:
thus saith the guy who gets struck by lightning and or a bus crossing the street- i'm well familiar with your "luck" quite frankly, if we were to be on the same street in Edmonton, i'd go out of my way to avoid you
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wow.... little hostile.

doesn't change the facts...

most owners are not members on this website, and most owners went "WOW a semi auto .308 M14 for $500!!!! sold!"

the guys i run into were the rifle is giving them grief (which is most of them), with jamming bad groups or worse... often have no idea they have mechanical problems they just assume its a cheap rifle-ism to be expected.

-Have to kick the bolt forward to unjam the op rod off the barrel every couple of rounds?" its cause its a battle rifle you have to treat it rough!".
-stove piping 2 rounds every mag? "that's normal right?"
-2 shots per triger pull? "WOW cool!"
- front site off by 8 degrees? "oh china. its fine though i just moved the front post all the way left and the rear site all the way to the right"


when you show them what's wrong most people are blown away that there was a issue with their brand new rifle right out of the box... or within a couple hundred rounds.
Most of the people I've personally met that claim no issues with a norinco out of the box and that they have never had to fix anything have owned it for like 5 years... and they haven't shot 100 rounds yet, and call minute of pie plate a good group at 50m.
 
well, both tactical teacher ,45 acp king and myself have differing views from you as I do on lee products( see ?- I remember)
 
Unless it sheared off the bolt lug, it was an out-of-battery discharge.

Was this loaded into the chamber directly, or fed through the mag?

What is the condition of the bolt lug and the lug recess in the receiver?

If there is a chunk missing or large scrap on the lug, the bolt was partially closed when the primer went off.

From what I see, it is classic OOBD.
 
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CanAm said:
Unless it sheared off the bolt lug, it was an out-of-battery discharge.

Was this loaded into the chamber directly, or fed through the mag?

What is the condition of the bolt lug and the lug recess in the receiver?
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which is what I said way back on post 3
 
I agree with the Turkinator , stay the hell away from Tula, MFS and Barnaul.

As for his Lordship, he may have bad luck, but he is spot on in saying people don't know what they are buying.

This platform is very unique and the 'rincos sometimes come with certain deficiencies which if you have educated yourself can be corrected.

I personally do not think this is a platform for beginners. Sadly the low price is what attracts the beginners
 
t-star said:
well, both tactical teacher ,45 acp king and myself have differing views from you as I do on lee products( see ?- I remember)
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you're right,
some people think a $800 used 1992 corolla is a perfect vehicle and anything more is a waste. That adding a litre of oil a week, jiggling the key in the ignition every time you go to start it, holding the steering wheel 30 degrees off center to keep it going straight, keeping it under 90km/h so the wheel bearing doesn't squeel and having to time the shift into second perfectly to avoid grinding the gear with the blown syncro is acceptable as a daily driver.
hell that same person might even convince a bunch of folks that don't know any better that's its normal and acceptable too.

but I Like my stuff to work properly, every time I need it. I don't like wasting time anymore trying to make cheap products work. I'm to the point in my life I don't spend money and on tinkerers specials especially with things that can kill me.
When I see the same product with the same issues time and time again. Especial some of them a serious risk to personal safety; I pretty much outright say "its a POS don't buy it unless your ok with and properly prepared to deal with these problems"
 
I think we also have to blame the excellent reputation of the usgi m14/m1a - they have QUALITY controls in place where as the communist Chinese( can I even say that?)reverse engineered the 305 off a battle field pick-up seconded to them from the cong/nva- now if that m14 ( real thing) was loose and sloppy, then all its sons and daughters are also going to be loose and sloppy- now you ask anybody that has even heard about nam and what the best rifle was they will inevitably dis the mouse gun( and deservedly so) and pick the m14- this same "illusion" is why ruger fielded the mini- and all of it's inherent problems-it's taken a while for norinco to get the "bugs" worked out and some of them
still aren't and those are the ones we're seeing today- it's the "i don't give a chit" attitude of the average Chinese worker-
 
Got the case out with some magyvering using an eye bolt and some rope and lots of yanking. I already have an forster .308 field guage (1.638") and a 7.62 max guage (1.6455"). The pictures below show how the bolt closes completely on the 308 field guage but doesn't quite close on the 7.62 max guage. I saw some things online that says this is ok but to me if it comes that close to closing without being forced I would think itncould possibly be dangerous to fire?


 
whoa- I set mine for 1.630 min and 1.634 using usgi bolts and 7.62x51( not 308) no go gauges.
 
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