4 Rifle Ammo Test

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CQB is shot at 30 yards and closer, so pin point accuracy and power is not an issue. The main requirement is flawless reliability.

I have about 5,000 primed cases ready to be loaded, but I thought I may as well try some loads and pick the best. I have bulk 55 gr FMJ bullets of unknown make. For powder I want to use a cheap powder that I have a lot of.

In the powder magazine I found a drum of experimental IMR powder they gave me years ago. It is a very fine grain extruded powder about H332 in speed. I also have a drum of ball powder, similar in speed to H335. I have used 24 gr. of this in the past to make CQB ammo.

For the test I loaded 23.5, 24 & 24.5 gr of the ball powder. I wanted to see if a bit more or less powder improved the groups.

For the extruded powder I loaded 22, 23 and 24 gr. All primed with Tula primers and seated 2.240 OAL.

This is 6 different loads. I selected 4 AR-15 rifles that had at least 7X scopes on them. The 4 & 5X scopes are not suitable for load testing. Just by luck all the low power scopes are on NEA rifles, so I did not get a chance to see how they group. Each rifle has a floated barrel and a match trigger. A Norinco, Palmetto State Armoury, Blue Line and Dominion Arms. The Dominion has a new heavy match barrel.

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4 rifles and six loads means 24 different groups.

I shot off sandbags at 100 yards. The piece of paper on the bench is a target plot where I note where each group goes, and what ammo it is.

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When I get home, I measure each group on the sheet of paper with about 30 groups on it.

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With the plot sheet, I can then label each group with the rifle and load.

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Groups ran from 1.5" to 2.0". Bigger than I thought they would be. Since they groups were big in all rifles and all loads, I assume the limiting factor is the bullet. I fired a few groups in each rifle with match bullets (68 Hornady and 77 gr Nosler) They group an inch or less.
 
They heavy is 20" The others are around 16" to 18"

Twist would be 1:7 or 1:9.

I posted this as an example of my methodology. I don't think the results mean much, except that the groups aren't very good.
 
Bulk bullets of unknown make. Doesn't say much about quality control from the bullet maker. I'd bet if you weighed those bulk 55 gr bullets, you'd find bullets weighing 54 gr and 56.

It's like assembling an AR - low quality parts equals a low quality rifle.

Excellent methodology and reports though!!
 
Bulk bullets of unknown make. Doesn't say much about quality control from the bullet maker. I'd bet if you weighed those bulk 55 gr bullets, you'd find bullets weighing 54 gr and 56.

It's like assembling an AR - low quality parts equals a low quality rifle.

Excellent methodology and reports though!!

When low quality parts + low quality rifle + low quality loads = Top score in the match :

HPS 550 V "Master" Class
1st 456 36 ganderite
2nd 437 18 northgunner
3rd 434 28 tituspullo
417 27 theduck
400 30 tredinnick
397 18 zentradi
395 22 bluecooker
395 18 cmccu
380 34 diablo9845


36 V's not enough for you Jim? :p
 
No. The object was to chose the load that grouped best. Accuracy does not matter much for CQB, but sine I have a choice of powder charge, I thought I may as well test to see if a given load was better in these rifles.

It has been my experience that a bit more or less powder can make a huge difference in how ammo will group in a particular rifle.

If I was not a handloader, I would try 4 brands of ammo, to see if my rifles had any strong preferences.
 
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When low quality parts + low quality rifle + low quality loads = Top score in the match :

HPS 550 V "Master" Class
1st 456 36 ganderite
2nd 437 18 northgunner
3rd 434 28 tituspullo
417 27 theduck
400 30 tredinnick
397 18 zentradi
395 22 bluecooker
395 18 cmccu
380 34 diablo9845


36 V's not enough for you Jim? :p

The Norinco in the picture is the one I usually use in a match. Since that match I took of the $100 airsoft scope I had been using and installed a 2-7 Burris. Quality of kit has almost nothing to do with CQB scores. My pistol cost $359.

CQB involves shooting and changing mags quickly, with accuracy. It is one of the few shooting sports where deep pockets don't help. At close CQB ranges, and rifle and ammo is accurate enough. What matters most is that the rifle and ammo run reliably.
 
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