Tangent Theta

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I recently received this scope from Jerry at Mystic Precision and thought I would share some observations which I posted on Snipers Hide regarding this scope.

This is what I posted...
First off I will be upfront and admit I am an optics snob. I love good glass. No I love GREAT glass. I have Leica, Swarovski,Zeiss, S&B among others. Germans just know how to make great glass.
Turning to the TT I thought the TT 5-25x56 would be excellent based on all the reviews/comments but I was a little skeptical when people said it was superior to the very excellent Schmidt and Bender 5-25x56 PMII.
Well, after kinda giving some here a hard time about what I considered exaggerations about the TT I must admit it is one very impressive scope. I also have a 5-25x56 PMII which is relatively new. So I was able to do a first hand comparison. Going into it I thought they would be very close or perhaps the S&B would be better( which is what I was really expecting). After comparing them over a couple of days and also in very low light it became clear which was the better scope optically( at least to these eyes). The TT had slightly better resolution, was sharper edge to edge,the color was more correct, no tunnelling and it's low light performance was a shocker. It easily bested the S&B in this regard BUT the S&B definitely had better contrast . This was the only area in which the S&B bested the TT optically speaking.
Mechanically the S&B is an excellent scope and anyone who says otherwise is just talking nonsense in my opinion BUT the TT just seems to take it to the next level. The turrets are larger, making for easier adjustments and the clicks are very precise and positive. Personally it has the best turrets I have seen. There are a number of scopes I haven't tried so there may be others just as good or even better but the TT is superior in this regard to the S&B in my opinion.
I had also tried a number of Hensoldts and planned on keeping one but 3 of the 4 provided to me were optically defective. One of those 3 was down right pathetic. The forth was an exceptional scope but I returned it as I didn't have much confidence in them at that point. Hensoldt does have the best eye box of any scope I have ever seen by a country mile. I hope Zeiss buys them back and rectifies the QC issues there. If they do I am certain to pick one up. After experiencing the eye box on the Hensoldt I still want one.
In summary, this is only my opinion( and that of a buddy) yours may well vary.


I also wanted to add that I took one shot at 614 yards and one at 1000 yards without dialing and using only the MOA reticle. It was windy and I really had to concentrate but was able to hit within 3 inch at both distances of a 3 inch bullseye. My only complaint is I wish they had windage dots of 3 moa on each side of the 5,10,15 and 20 moa marks. It would make it faster and take less concentration.

Personally I think this is currently the best 5-25x56 on the planet. This is just my opinion and you may well disagree.
 
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Back when it was worth 400$ more yes, now that it's worth 2200$ more no.

I didn't realise till recently that they have went up that much. Therefore I would have to agree with this statement.
BUT if you have to have the best 5-25x56 out there the TT is it in my opinion.
 
Once you get into this price range everything is pretty nice. I want to look through a TT and love the fact they are Canadian made.

At the same time, and this is just my opinion, $6,### is a lot of money!! So far my Bushy has served me just as well as my S*B.

Now lets see some pics!
 
I recently received this scope from Jerry at Mystic Precision and thought I would share some observations which I posted on Snipers Hide regarding this scope.

This is what I posted...
First off I will be upfront and admit I am an optics snob. I love good glass. No I love GREAT glass. I have Leica, Swarovski,Zeiss, S&B among others. Germans just know how to make great glass.
Turning to the TT I thought the TT 5-25x56 would be excellent based on all the reviews/comments but I was a little skeptical when people said it was superior to the very excellent Schmidt and Bender 5-25x56 PMII.
Well, after kinda giving some here a hard time about what I considered exaggerations about the TT I must admit it is one very impressive scope. I also have a 5-25x56 PMII which is relatively new. So I was able to do a first hand comparison. Going into it I thought they would be very close or perhaps the S&B would be better( which is what I was really expecting). After comparing them over a couple of days and also in very low light it became clear which was the better scope optically( at least to these eyes). The TT had slightly better resolution, was sharper edge to edge,the color was more correct, no tunnelling and it's low light performance was a shocker. It easily bested the S&B in this regard BUT the S&B definitely had better contrast . This was the only area in which the S&B bested the TT optically speaking.
Mechanically the S&B is an excellent scope and anyone who says otherwise is just talking nonsense in my opinion BUT the TT just seems to take it to the next level. The turrets are larger, making for easier adjustments and the clicks are very precise and positive. Personally it has the best turrets I have seen. There are a number of scopes I haven't tried so there may be others just as good or even better but the TT is superior in this regard to the S&B in my opinion.
I had also tried a number of Hensoldts and planned on keeping one but 3 of the 4 provided to me were optically defective. One of those 3 was down right pathetic. The forth was an exceptional scope but I returned it as I didn't have much confidence in them at that point. Hensoldt does have the best eye box of any scope I have ever seen by a country mile. I hope Zeiss buys them back and rectifies the QC issues there. If they do I am certain to pick one up. After experiencing the eye box on the Hensoldt I still want one.
In summary, this is only my opinion( and that of a buddy) yours may well vary.


I also wanted to add that I took one shot at 614 yards and one at 1000 yards without dialing and using only the MOA reticle. It was windy and I really had to concentrate but was able to hit within 3 inch at both distances of a 3 inch bullseye. My only complaint is I wish they had windage dots of 3 moa on each side of the 5,10,15 and 20 moa marks. It would make it faster and take less concentration.

Personally I think this is currently the best 5-25x56 on the planet. This is just my opinion and you may well disagree.

I don't know much about long range shooting, but... Is the MOA system really relevant to windage adjustment? Or would it just serve to act as a point of reference?
 
I don't know much about long range shooting, but... Is the MOA system really relevant to windage adjustment? Or would it just serve to act as a point of reference?

Milrad/ moa are just a way of measuring. They are both very relevant . It is especially helpful to understand your reticle if it is in the first focal plane.

Ie. In hunting situation first focal plane scopes can have a huge advantage.Unlike a second focal plane scope it doesn't matter what power you are on. The hash marks in relation to the power remains constant. If I am deer hunting and suddenly a monster buck pops out at 600 yards and I judge there is a 5 mph right to left wind...I don't have to take the time to dial. I can simply hold for it using the hash marks of the reticle and yes the windage is extremely important.
 
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So you decided to keep the TT over the SB

Yep

I didn't realise till recently that they have went up that much. Therefore I would have to agree with this statement.
BUT if you have to have the best 5-25x56 out there the TT is it in my opinion.

It really is the best scope out there, but $$$$ is way to high on my opinion. I got an amazing deal on mine and if I could I'd have gotten two!
 
They are awesome scopes but I don't think id ever pay full retail price for one. I own a pm 2, bushnell xrs, premier heritage, and a few nightforce. The TT is the best of the bunch, the only reason I have one tho is because I got a good deal on it.
 
I have reviewed the TT the S+B 5-25x56 and the Razor HD Gen II this year and still feel that in terms of pure glass the S+B edges the competition but that the turrets of the TT and of the Vortex are better but, honestly, all three are very close in many ways that one could not be critcised for making any one of those scopes their go to glass. Now factor in the huge price difference between the TT and the other two and for me the Tangent Theta is a hard sell.
 
Yep



It really is the best scope out there, but $$$$ is way to high on my opinion. I got an amazing deal on mine and if I could I'd have gotten two!

You also have one very very good shooting system - something I wish I would've done instead of a little of this and a little of that.....
 
The TT525P is the new benchmark. Glass aside, the mechanics and ergonomics of this scope are the pinnacle of modern scope design. I really like the Gen II XR reticle even if it's a bit dated, carrying on from its Premier Reticles heritage. It's a comfort to note that the TT evolved from the Premier line of scopes. The Premiers were truly awesome but TT has taken that design and mastered it in every way possible.
 
In a previous comment the contrast of the S&B lenses seemed better than the TT and there's a likely reason for this.

There's a trade-off for brightness and clarity (resolution) and that trade-off is contrast. If a filter is applied to a lens, contrast can be improved however brightness and clarity will suffer. I suspect that TT has fewer colour filters in its coatings, which is why they seem so stunningly bright and natural. S&B likely has more green or red (or both) filters which improves contrast but darkens the image and affects natural clarity.

Both approaches to coatings have their advantages in different lighting and target settings. I hazard to say that the S&B lens favours defined (high contrast) target shooting and the TT favours abstract target aquisition such as in a military or hunting setting.
 
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In a previous comment the contrast of the S&B lenses seemed better than the TT and there's a likely reason for this.

There's a trade-off for brightness and clarity (resolution) and that trade-off is contrast. If a filter is applied to a lens, contrast can be improved however brightness and clarity will suffer. I suspect that TT has fewer colour filters in its coatings, which is why they seem so stunningly bright and natural. S&B likely has more green or red (or both) filters which improves contrast but darkens the image and affects natural clarity.

Both approaches to coatings have their advantages in different lighting and target settings. I hazard to say that the S&B lens favours defined (high contrast) target shooting and the TT favours abstract target aquisition such as in a military or hunting setting.

BAng on. I was going to mention this but just didn't get into it. That is exactly why the TT is sharper and brighter. It's a trade off.
I challenge anyone to compare them in very low light and it is obvious the TT has a significant advantage. It isn't subtle.
 
They are awesome scopes but I don't think id ever pay full retail price for one. I own a pm 2, bushnell xrs, premier heritage, and a few nightforce. The TT is the best of the bunch, the only reason I have one tho is because I got a good deal on it.

We have to get out to the range soon. Would really like to actually see one .Opted for and just mounted my Gen3 Kayles and would like to compare, just for the hell of it.
 
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