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m305 shorty with a scope...you can buy mine if you want...great shooter
Non-Restricted Semi-Auto .308win/7.62x51 options?
- Thread starter Scotty454
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Below are some/all? the NR Semi.-Auto. Black rifles I know of (in Canada) in 7.62x51 (.308 calibre).
FNAR under $1,700+/- new weighs about 9lbs. standard barrel, approx. 10lbs. heavy barrel. (MOA accuracy or better possible, but more complexity in dis/assembly),
Robinson Arms XCR-M $3,200+ new, $2,500+/- used, 9lbs. with light barrel & 10lbs. with heavy barrel. (handles well, simple to break down with good warranty support via Wolverine),
Famae 542 $3,000 reg. new (on sale now $2,650 @ The Shooting Centre) approx. $2,500+/- used & weighs about 8Lbs. (expensive #5 shot magazines and spare parts may be harder to find, saying that The Shooting Centre out of Calgary does care/warranty for all there Famae rifles sold),
ATRS Modern Hunter new $4,000+ used slightly less, as light as 8Lbs. w/o optics. (very well crafted, but cannot feed all ammo. types, possibly MOA or better accuracy and a Canadian manufacturer so no worries with warranty...),
Norinco M-305 new $500 & weighs about 8lbs. w/o optics (affordable, good value and aftermarket stocks are available as are many upgrades to improve accuracy...),
Sprigfield M1A new $2,000+ similar to the M305 (the M305 is copied off of the M1A) & has many options available for improving accuracy just like the M305 does,
Keltec RFB a Bull-Pup style forward ejecting rifle, new $3,000, used $2,500+/- approx. 8lbs. (a good choice for hunting in heavy bush due to it's compact size)...
It all depends what you really are after. All these rifles are priced approximately and w/o tax.
Also you must consider the cost of an optic (plus a case, sling and extra mag.'s etc.), because once the cost of optic is taken into consideration (quality scopes are generally around a $1,000+ new).
Many of these rifles can be made to shoot very well and a couple may even get close to quality bolt action accuracy, while others here will be relegated to battle rifle status only (at least w/o a considerable amount of work done and/or funds spent) meaning 2-4MOA.
The Modern Hunter is very similar to an AR rifle (there are several parts that interchange as it was designed to be similar to an AR) and is sold as a match grade rifle.
The Famae 542 is still in use as a battle rifle in the Chilean Army and would work well for a multi-purpose hunting rifle while the FNAR may be found in a SWAT team role, precision target or hunting rifle.
RFB's and XCR-M's along with the M305's/M1A'a all have there place amongst Canadian shooters and can serve most any role needed, especially after a little tweaking and/or effort with handloads.
I hope this helps a little and that I've covered all the rifles available; do your research and get specific with your wants/needs and complete budget including all accessories and scope.
Although these rifles can get expensive, they do hold decent resale values if taken care of well, so worst case scenario you lose a few hundred (plus taxes
) if you decide you want a different model (and you'll probably want them all).
Cheers D
FNAR under $1,700+/- new weighs about 9lbs. standard barrel, approx. 10lbs. heavy barrel. (MOA accuracy or better possible, but more complexity in dis/assembly),
Robinson Arms XCR-M $3,200+ new, $2,500+/- used, 9lbs. with light barrel & 10lbs. with heavy barrel. (handles well, simple to break down with good warranty support via Wolverine),
Famae 542 $3,000 reg. new (on sale now $2,650 @ The Shooting Centre) approx. $2,500+/- used & weighs about 8Lbs. (expensive #5 shot magazines and spare parts may be harder to find, saying that The Shooting Centre out of Calgary does care/warranty for all there Famae rifles sold),
ATRS Modern Hunter new $4,000+ used slightly less, as light as 8Lbs. w/o optics. (very well crafted, but cannot feed all ammo. types, possibly MOA or better accuracy and a Canadian manufacturer so no worries with warranty...),
Norinco M-305 new $500 & weighs about 8lbs. w/o optics (affordable, good value and aftermarket stocks are available as are many upgrades to improve accuracy...),
Sprigfield M1A new $2,000+ similar to the M305 (the M305 is copied off of the M1A) & has many options available for improving accuracy just like the M305 does,
Keltec RFB a Bull-Pup style forward ejecting rifle, new $3,000, used $2,500+/- approx. 8lbs. (a good choice for hunting in heavy bush due to it's compact size)...
It all depends what you really are after. All these rifles are priced approximately and w/o tax.
Also you must consider the cost of an optic (plus a case, sling and extra mag.'s etc.), because once the cost of optic is taken into consideration (quality scopes are generally around a $1,000+ new).
Many of these rifles can be made to shoot very well and a couple may even get close to quality bolt action accuracy, while others here will be relegated to battle rifle status only (at least w/o a considerable amount of work done and/or funds spent) meaning 2-4MOA.
The Modern Hunter is very similar to an AR rifle (there are several parts that interchange as it was designed to be similar to an AR) and is sold as a match grade rifle.
The Famae 542 is still in use as a battle rifle in the Chilean Army and would work well for a multi-purpose hunting rifle while the FNAR may be found in a SWAT team role, precision target or hunting rifle.
RFB's and XCR-M's along with the M305's/M1A'a all have there place amongst Canadian shooters and can serve most any role needed, especially after a little tweaking and/or effort with handloads.
I hope this helps a little and that I've covered all the rifles available; do your research and get specific with your wants/needs and complete budget including all accessories and scope.
Although these rifles can get expensive, they do hold decent resale values if taken care of well, so worst case scenario you lose a few hundred (plus taxes
) if you decide you want a different model (and you'll probably want them all).Cheers D
Thanks for all the replies, I appreciate it.
I ended up picking up an FNAR from Wanstalls. Couldn't justify the cost of an XCR-M. And who knows, maybe if I save my pennies, I'll have enough if the Scar 17 ever makes it into Canada (I'm not holding my breath)
I ended up picking up an FNAR from Wanstalls. Couldn't justify the cost of an XCR-M. And who knows, maybe if I save my pennies, I'll have enough if the Scar 17 ever makes it into Canada
(I'm not holding my breath)
You and I will wait our lifetimes before we see that coming to a store near us
Thanks for all the replies, I appreciate it.
I ended up picking up an FNAR from Wanstalls. Couldn't justify the cost of an XCR-M. And who knows, maybe if I save my pennies, I'll have enough if the Scar 17 ever makes it into Canada
Congrats, I believe it will serve you well and is likely the best value currently in the NR .308 Semi. Black rifle segment here in Canada.
It's the .308 NR semi. I would choose over the XCR-M, even if it they were same price (and not double the price like a new XCR-M actually is).
It should prove a very accurate and reliable rifle and I personally think they look very good scoped sitting on a bi-pod.
You never did tell us what it's intended role was to be? (hunting, long range plinking or?, perhaps all purpose...). Regardless please let us know what you think of it's performance in the environment(s) you subject it to, once 'Zeroed-In' of course (and a pic. including a description of the optic you selected would be great along with an accuracy report too
).Cheers D
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Thanks for all the replies, I appreciate it.
I ended up picking up an FNAR from Wanstalls. Couldn't justify the cost of an XCR-M. And who knows, maybe if I save my pennies, I'll have enough if the Scar 17 ever makes it into Canada
You made the right choice there. When you're sending dollar bills down range, it's nice if they go where you're pointing them. The m was the least accurate 308 auto loader I have sampled.
Great and with money left over in your original budget you should be able to get a decent scope too. On another note don't let XCR naysayers sway you from trying one =)
Thanks for all the replies, I appreciate it.
I ended up picking up an FNAR from Wanstalls. Couldn't justify the cost of an XCR-M. And who knows, maybe if I save my pennies, I'll have enough if the Scar 17 ever makes it into Canada
The Joe-Man
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- BC Interior
Now, now Mike. I'm sure the lab rats will classify the SCAR in a fair and unbiased... I'm sorry. I couldn't even finish that.
Congrats, I believe it will serve you well and is likely the best value currently in the NR .308 Semi. Black rifle segment here in Canada.
It's the .308 NR semi. I would choose over the XCR-M, even if it they were same price (and not double the price like a new XCR-M actually is).
It should prove a very accurate and reliable rifle and I personally think they look very good scoped sitting on a bi-pod.
You never did tell us what it's intended role was to be? (hunting, long range plinking or?, perhaps all purpose...). Regardless please let us know what you think of it's performance in the environment(s) you subject it to, once 'Zeroed-In' of course (and a pic. including a description of the optic you selected would be great along with an accuracy report too
Cheers D
So I had it out on the weekend, and shot a couple of groups.
I just met a buddy at TSE, so max 50 yards. Also shooting off a bipod and no rear bag (Just my shoulder), with my buddy shooting my very loud Benelli MR1 beside me (5.56 is surprisingly loud for the size of the round...). Not the best for concentration, but I think I still did alright.
This was my best group, I shot a couple of others not quite as good. Running a Leupold VX-1 4-12x40, with PMC Bronze 147 grain FMJs. 1" squares on the target.
5 rounds, with one annoying lonely hole all by itself. If not for the one a$$h0le round, it would have been sub-MOA.
1.008" - .308" = .700" (With .5" being ~ MOA at 50)
4 round group would have been .608" - .308" = .300".
And I know excuses excuses, could have, would have, should have, etc. I'm not blaming anything but myself, lol that 5th hole counts. I know that 1 group also doesn't confirm or deny the accuracy of a rifle either.
But I'm happy with it, considering I'm running the cheapest FMJ ammo I could buy that wasn't Norinco surplus, and I'm not a spectacular shooter (See: mediocre at best).
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So I had it out on the weekend, and shot a couple of groups.
I just met a buddy at TSE, so max 50 yards. Also shooting off a bipod and no rear bag (Just my shoulder), with my buddy shooting my very loud Benelli MR1 beside me (5.56 is surprisingly loud for the size of the round...). Not the best for concentration, but I think I still did alright.
This was my best group, I shot a couple of others not quite as good. Running a Leupold VX-1 4-12x40, with PMC Bronze 147 grain FMJs. 1" squares on the target.
5 rounds, with one annoying lonely hole all by itself. If not for the one a$$h0le round, it would have been sub-MOA.
1.008" - .308" = .700" (With .5" being ~ MOA at 50)
4 round group would have been .608" - .308" = .300".
And I know excuses excuses, could have, would have, should have, etc. I'm not blaming anything but myself, lol that 5th hole counts. I know that 1 group also doesn't confirm or deny the accuracy of a rifle either.
But I'm happy with it, considering I'm running the cheapest FMJ ammo I could buy that wasn't Norinco surplus, and I'm not a spectacular shooter (See: mediocre at best).
Nice results, I'd be curious to see how that works when you go further, 100, 200, 300, 500
Likely less than a lifetime wait for the APC308, M17s 308, MDR.
Potato boy
Regular
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- North of the mountain
Here is my 2 cents, FNAR is great, its accurate and dependable, downside its a pain to clean and heavy for hunting, real heavy. RFB is 1.5-2 moa, super dependable and easy to field strip, it doesn't lend itself well to shots over 400, you can do it but it ain't easy. I have a load for 200 grain sierras that's deadly in the RFB. M1A loaded is great but heavy, easy to field strip and uber dependable, pretty much limited to 165-175gr for hunting. XCR is the least dependable of the bunch, don't get me wrong its not terrible but there are winners and looser in every category, accuracy is good 1.5-2 MOA, also a bit heavy, easy to field strip, modular.( they all are heavy) My picks 1-RFB, 2-M1A loaded,3-FNAR light contour barrel, mine is heavy
chickensashimi
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- SW Alberta
wow, didnt see that coming, even for accuracy? rfb that is
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