Why people hate wolves.
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canadian hunter312
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Ignorance and competition seem like the most likely reasons to me.
After reading a lot of these responses it seems that wolves and humans have a lot in common.
I can understand why people such as ranchers and hunters hate them. As for myself, I've got no reason to hate them. I fill my tags every year. Dont get me wrong, I would shoot one on sight while hunting.
I can understand why people such as ranchers and hunters hate them. As for myself, I've got no reason to hate them. I fill my tags every year. Dont get me wrong, I would shoot one on sight while hunting.
I agree, and you seem ignorant to the problem wolves have become here in the west, in Central Alberta.
so statistically insignificant?
prairie lover
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- southern MB
its happened plenty times before as mentioned earlier.
lol. no
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wolf_attacks_in_North_America#Fatal_attacks
twice in the last 15 years.
prairie lover
CGN Regular
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- southern MB
what about before that? what about Asia? wolves are not your friends. if I see one ill take the shot.
Sure, like my uncle had a friend who was told the wolves were killing people in northern Saskatchewan.
In reality, the young wolf lover who was killed did stupid things, like taking food for them, out to a garbage dump they were feeding on, after dark at night.
H4831, that story, from what I've read, is that there was a mining camp(?), which had a dump near it. Wolves had become habituated to scrounging from the dump.
I don't know anything about whether or not the guy was a wolf lover; my understanding, is that the guy went for a walk in the evening, which took him past the dump.
Did he do it so he could watch them? Maybe. Was he taking them food? Hmmm, no mention that he did either, in the story I read.
Which could be a deliberate omission, or it could be that he just didn't do either of those things, and was just, wrong place wrong time.
I don't know anything about whether or not the guy was a wolf lover; my understanding, is that the guy went for a walk in the evening, which took him past the dump.
Did he do it so he could watch them? Maybe. Was he taking them food? Hmmm, no mention that he did either, in the story I read.
Which could be a deliberate omission, or it could be that he just didn't do either of those things, and was just, wrong place wrong time.
bearkilr
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- Nowhere, ......just past the middle
http://www.outdoorlife.com/articles/hunting/2007/09/manhunters
And then there are those who deserve to be eaten.............
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/witness-sinks-teeth-into-womans-wolf-tale-199490591.html
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- Jameson, SK
I don't know if it meets the p<.05 test or not.....I usually hire my stats work out.
Runningfool
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- SW Ontario
Oh well the respectable science-base nature shows...I'm sure we can all trust those!
The wolves are welcome on my land. I can afford to lose a few deer, a couple elk and some birds and rabbits every now and again. I'm not worried about a few wolves, I already have several black bears on the property and welcome the challenge of a new predator to my management plan.
Part of being a good steward of the land is understanding how to manage all the wildlife. My goal is to attract, retain, improve and increase all wildlife...wolves included. The only life that isn't welcome on the property is more humans. They seem to want to degrade and destroy things rather than act sensibly and responsibly regarding improving wildlife through proper management.
Part of being a good steward of the land is understanding how to manage all the wildlife. My goal is to attract, retain, improve and increase all wildlife...wolves included. The only life that isn't welcome on the property is more humans. They seem to want to degrade and destroy things rather than act sensibly and responsibly regarding improving wildlife through proper management.
bearkilr
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Wolves have a tendency to act somewhat irresponsibly in their predatory behavior. If you have an abundance of prey animals, they'll generally set up shop until that abundance becomes a scarcity, then move on.
bearkilr,
I have seen the effects of the high side of the bear cycle on my deer and elk population. The old dominant deer & elk (4+ yr olds) are still in the area. There is even a young doe with fawn. Predators are opportunists. So are humans. If you want to maintain stable or growing wildlife populations in general here are some of the rules I follow. On my property they are laws.
1) Only shoot mature animals of the species, including predators, and generally only in years of noticable abundance (cyclical population high). This ensures proper herd age structure as the herd always has an animal to take the older animals place should it die.
2) Never shoot females of any species. You need them to breed. You are only one bad winter away from turing your population high into a population low.
3) Maintain the highest density of wildlife you can on the property. The animals will establish territories with dominant individuals "ruling the roost". Subordinate animals will leave the area or be chased away if the density becomes too great or predators will move in to thin the herd.
4) If there are no 5+ year old animals to shoot on the property, shoot a cull buck/bull which has 4 points or less per side and is mature (3.5 yrs old or older). He has no trophy potential but is fully grown and will yield maximum meat.
5) Improve or supplement the food on the property if need be. Keeping your herds healthy means providing proper nutrition, especially so pregnant females can have many healthy fawns and helps protect your herd from disease as the animals are in the best condition that they can be in at any given time.
6) Extensive surveillance of the property ensures the manager knows what is on the property during any given year. I have 13 trail cams on the property which capture travel corridors, bedding areas, and feeding areas. Without adequate surveillance and population surveys you will not be able to optimally put into practice and carry out a management plan.
7) Control access to authorized personnel only. People who you can trust to carry out your management philosophy. Quality deer/trophy management in this case. Make your management plan a condition of hunting permission on the property. You do not have to grant access to your property. If you do, clearly state your expectations to the hunter, including the animals that are on the hitlist and which are not. Involve your neighbours in wildlife management. Wildlife generally requires large areas of land to thrive and cooperating with neighbours to carry out some basic core priciples will go a long way to attracting, retaining, improving and increasing the quantity and quality of wildlife on your property and in the area.
8) Report trespassers and poachers. They don't help with the management plan. We have resource officers and courts for a reason. You pay a lot in taxes to have them, use them both.
I have seen the effects of the high side of the bear cycle on my deer and elk population. The old dominant deer & elk (4+ yr olds) are still in the area. There is even a young doe with fawn. Predators are opportunists. So are humans. If you want to maintain stable or growing wildlife populations in general here are some of the rules I follow. On my property they are laws.
1) Only shoot mature animals of the species, including predators, and generally only in years of noticable abundance (cyclical population high). This ensures proper herd age structure as the herd always has an animal to take the older animals place should it die.
2) Never shoot females of any species. You need them to breed. You are only one bad winter away from turing your population high into a population low.
3) Maintain the highest density of wildlife you can on the property. The animals will establish territories with dominant individuals "ruling the roost". Subordinate animals will leave the area or be chased away if the density becomes too great or predators will move in to thin the herd.
4) If there are no 5+ year old animals to shoot on the property, shoot a cull buck/bull which has 4 points or less per side and is mature (3.5 yrs old or older). He has no trophy potential but is fully grown and will yield maximum meat.
5) Improve or supplement the food on the property if need be. Keeping your herds healthy means providing proper nutrition, especially so pregnant females can have many healthy fawns and helps protect your herd from disease as the animals are in the best condition that they can be in at any given time.
6) Extensive surveillance of the property ensures the manager knows what is on the property during any given year. I have 13 trail cams on the property which capture travel corridors, bedding areas, and feeding areas. Without adequate surveillance and population surveys you will not be able to optimally put into practice and carry out a management plan.
7) Control access to authorized personnel only. People who you can trust to carry out your management philosophy. Quality deer/trophy management in this case. Make your management plan a condition of hunting permission on the property. You do not have to grant access to your property. If you do, clearly state your expectations to the hunter, including the animals that are on the hitlist and which are not. Involve your neighbours in wildlife management. Wildlife generally requires large areas of land to thrive and cooperating with neighbours to carry out some basic core priciples will go a long way to attracting, retaining, improving and increasing the quantity and quality of wildlife on your property and in the area.
8) Report trespassers and poachers. They don't help with the management plan. We have resource officers and courts for a reason. You pay a lot in taxes to have them, use them both.
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...in Alberta, that moving on means horses, cattle, onto deer cuz the moose are all gone, etc...
A buddy I work with had a small herd of those little horses (I don't know the breed). They were basically family pets and they would take kids on them.
They started finding the little buggers eaten up. And they were being eaten alive. Horse would be down, in obvious distress, and it would have 25 or more pounds off meat gone. So they'd hafta put the thing down.
The landowner got trail cameras and set them up. But they weren't getting pics of what was doing it (initial thought was a pack of coyotes).
Eventually all six of his horses were killed, and maybe only a couple were killed out-right, four of them were still alive after the wolves had their feed. I saw the pictures. Horrible.
And they did finally get the photo evidence, off the trail cameras, that it was wolves killing the little buggers.
It wasn't all that long ago, that the story of the wolves 'sport killing' the herd of cow and calf elk was posted on here.
And I've seen how they have literally wiped out deer in some of the areas I hunt... this is because they've 'moved on' as you say... moved on from the moose herd which is decimated in the Swan Hills, to eating deer (coyotes are also a huge factor in the deer kill).
People that love wolves seems like they will never believe any of this.
And yeah, I pretty much got no use for wolves.
A dead wolf is a good wolf.
