9mm suggestions wanted

NVShooter said:
And the CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow?
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Yes, all the CZ's have cast frames, including the Shadow2. Some of their compacts are cast aluminum alloy. Just because they are cast aluminum doesn't mean they have short operational lives. They maybe shorter than steel but for most the difference has no practical meaning.

If you struggle with the take down of a CZ then you ought not to own a firearm. Line up two lines, push the slide lock lever out and slide the slide off the frame. Arguing one is easier than another is just really kind of silly isn't it?

Who cleans their guns with their eyes shut? Oh I know, when the Zombies attack at night on the shortest day of the year at midnight after the power goes off...well then you may have a problem....until then.

Take Care

Bob
 
gmartinqc said:
I am looking for a new 9mm pistol, if I had to describe what I'd like it would be:

All steel
Built like a tank
reliable
good quality
soft shooting
easy maintenance

What would come to mind to you fellow nutters.

Much appreciated.
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Single action. Full size 1911 in 9mm or Browning HP.
DA/SA, anything CZ. (CZ 75B, 85C, CZ 75 SP01 Shadow, Shadow Line, 2,,,)
 
Canuck44 said:
Yes, all the CZ's have cast frames, including the Shadow2. Some of their compacts are cast aluminum alloy. Just because they are cast aluminum doesn't mean they have short operational lives. They maybe shorter than steel but for most the difference has no practical meaning.

If you struggle with the take down of a CZ then you ought not to own a firearm. Line up two lines, push the slide lock lever out and slide the slide off the frame. Arguing one is easier than another is just really kind of silly isn't it?

Who cleans their guns with their eyes shut? Oh I know, when the Zombies attack at night on the shortest day of the year at midnight after the power goes off...well then you may have a problem....until then.

Take Care

Bob
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Ha Ha...Bob, wow, you really twisted my post around didn't you.

First off, thanks for the clarification on the metal composition, I appreciate that.

However to clarify, I do not struggle to take down my Shadow and I do not clean my guns with my eyes closed, never did I state any of that.

I can take down the 92 with my eyes closed, it is easy. Not so with the Shadow. Not a big deal with the Shadow but the OP stated easy maintenance and so from a relative perspective, eyes closed is easier take-down than lining up two marks and then using a mag or something to push the slide lock lever out (at least none of mine can be done by hand alone).

Cheers! :)
 
Had to give you a dig.:>) I know what you meant. The devil made me do it. LOL No offense meant.

As I have stated in other threads I am late in the game to appreciate the Beretta 92 design. You are right though there is a little more to do to get the slide off of the CZ's. If the OP is new to pistols then I agree he should keep it simple. The 75B or the 92 are two excellent pistols that will give a lifetime of service to most.

Unless you are a gifted individual, and some are, most of the popular guns made will produce the same results in the hands of most. Christ I have a boatload of pistols in my safe and manage to reach SS in IDPA, with every pistol design I own. My scores are virtually identical. I can manage to eat an ice cream cone 9 times out of 10 without the need for a bib but have come to realize I have reached my level of mediocrity given the few talents I have.

Lots of folks, including me spend more money on their guns than their talents can manage. For new shooters what they should do is buy a good quality, entry level gun and just learn to shoot it well. Right now there is quite a disparity between very good, clean used guns and new guns + taxes. Buy a popular gun like a 75B or 92 and most would be set for life. I would avoid guns with dubious parts support even though they may be attractively nice or exhibited on the front page of the latest gun rag. Just my thinking and others certainly may think differently.

Take Care

Bob
 
This SIG is all steel, reliable, easy disassembly, and well...shoots pretty good ;)

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I liked both the Sig 226 and the CZ.. I never have enough play money to pony up $1000 for 1x pistol but I ended up buying both Norinco copies (NP22 and NZ85b) and they both work great and still far enough under $1000 that to afford a 1000rnd case of 9mm.

If I had $$ to throw around or competed I might be inclined to buy the real thing, but I'm happy as is.
 
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NVShooter said:
Can you clarify?
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I'm pretty sure he's referring to the slide being fitted inside the frame where the HP and 1911's have the slide rails riding on the outside of the frame. This makes the slides of CZ designs and clones/variations of the CZ a little harder to grab and slingshot during reloading.

On the other hand the CZ design is at a lot less risk of having a thumb ride on the slide and slow it down enough that it jams up during cycling. So perhaps a case of "you say toe-mah-toe and I say toe-may-toe"?

All steel?

1911
Browning HP
CZ models 75, SP-01 and 85 plus variations

Of the three main camps the CZ and HP both have double stack mags and have that fatter feel in the hand. The single stack 1911's in 9mm hold one less round but have a "proper" 1911 feel. And with some work can have that oh so wonderful 1911 tuned trigger. The HP and CZ are no slouch at all trigger wise. But they both use pivoting triggers as opposed to the 1911 sliding trigger.

Or perhaps best of both worlds? A CZ SA? Or the Tanfoglio match guns that are SA? I've shot a couple of each and what wondrous guns those were when correctly tuned up. I'd be hard pressed to choose between either double stack SA and a nicely tuned 1911.

The PROPER and ONLY REAL answer is, of course, "yes" to one of each over some time. The only real question here is which one first?

I've yet to hold or shoot a P210. But from all I've read of them they are perhaps the "Holy Grail" of 9mm guns. But then they come with a "HOLY COW!" price tag.
 
I love just about everything that 1911-style pistols provide...except take-down. Then again, it is not something one does a lot if so perhaps that is of lesser concern. Call me a take-down weenie :)
 
Big advantage of the CZ rail design is it brings the barrel axis lower to the hand. The CZ also has the DA/SA trigger which at it's worse is better than the best trigger you can get with a SA HP. I have owned them both and the High Power, great as it once was, is an old tired design. It still has though one of the best grips in handgun land, exceeded only by the grip of the Tanfanglio IMHO. Great history but not much of a future.

Take Care

Bob
 
NV Shooter the one thing the 1911 has going for it is it can be completely stripped to the frame and then reassembled with the use of a spent cartridge and no other handgun to my knowledge can make that claim. Just for the heck of it I took one of my Norcs down to the frame to see if it can be done...and it can.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
Big advantage of the CZ rail design is it brings the barrel axis lower to the hand. The CZ also has the DA/SA trigger which at it's worse is better than the best trigger you can get with a SA HP. I have owned them both and the High Power, great as it once was, is an old tired design. It still has though one of the best grips in handgun land, exceeded only by the grip of the Tanfanglio IMHO. Great history but not much of a future.

Take Care

Bob
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It's all relative and not absolute. Not all shooters are competitive shooters. Big advantage you mention worth nothing if it's hard to rack the gun, or when your wife can't rack the gun at all. Better of worse trigger - how to say? Difference in pulling SA in my HPs and pulling DA/SA in my SP01 went totally unnoticed. You probably can measure it, but will most of regular shooters feel the difference? As a user I really see as much of regress as progress in cz75s.
And again all above probably won't matter for carry purpose where polymer 17/19s rule.
 
Horilka said:
It's all relative and not absolute. Not all shooters are competitive shooters. Big advantage you mention worth nothing if it's hard to rack the gun, or when your wife can't rack the gun at all. Better of worse trigger - how to say? Difference in pulling SA in my HPs and pulling DA/SA in my SP01 went totally unnoticed. You probably can measure it, but will most of regular shooters feel the difference? As a user I really see as much of regress as progress in cz75s.
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You are absolutely correct. Some might argue the trigger and, depending on the version of the HP, the sights,, are pretty retro to be kind.


I am not convinced many pistols are suited for a lot of females. I know my wife is not going to be able to pull the slide back on any of my pistols quickly but she does a pretty decent job of putting six rounds where they belong hence the Model 10.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
NV Shooter the one thing the 1911 has going for it is it can be completely stripped to the frame and then reassembled with the use of a spent cartridge and no other handgun to my knowledge can make that claim. Just for the heck of it I took one of my Norcs down to the frame to see if it can be done...and it can.

Take Care

Bob
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Never heard that before, very cool, I'll have to try that. For when the Zombies come and you can't get to your tools, right :)

As for the HP, I have an older one for the beauty of the finish and its history. It has a great grip but the sights and trigger don't hold a candle to any of my other guns. Sure, I could modify all that but why not just by a gun that has most of that taken care of out of the box.
 
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