Huge misunderstanding RE - ammo for a Cartridge/Calibre? sticky time

WhelanLad

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do we need a Sticky on CGN, almost frequently we have hunters and shooters asking for a Specific brand of Ammo for a Specific Brand and or Chambered Calibre,
Now I know it isn't the Shooters fault they want to Save Money on Ammo but I've rarely met 2 guns the same that like the same stuff, sure there is some which are Mediocre with X brand factory in in XYZ grains... but most ask for MOA accuracy and

maybe someone with better words than me can make a sticky about this?

if not, im always down for the chit chat that surrounds it, but every #2 post is, "every gun is different"

:)

WL
 
Perhaps we should have a "sticky" regarding posting to a thread that members have no valid information on. I come on a forum to ask questions and learn new things. If I have no valid input to a particular post then I simply move along. Unfortunately a lot of individuals in the world of forums can't seem to get past this and feel the need to turn everything into a petty argument.

The reason that I posed the question about ammo for a particular firearm was in the hopes that someone with the same, or a similar, firearm might have a reasonable suggestion for a starting point. Will my rifle like these suggestions? Possibly. Or maybe not. But through the sharing of information I'll probably learn something new that I might then be able to pass on to someone else. Isn't that the whole intention of a forum in the first place? Unfortunately we've gone far beyond that and many threads seems to devolve into some sort of childish ramblings.

I'm not saying that your post is childish WhelanLad, just that the "every gun is different crowd" should simply move on if they have nothing relevant to add.
 
Skidood said:
I'm not saying that your post is childish WhelanLad, just that the "every gun is different crowd" should simply move on if they have nothing relevant to add.
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I think WL is advocating for a sticky with the information you asked for in your post. It would be interesting, and give a decent jumping off point for anyone looking to use factory rounds in their rifle.
 
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Accurate loads I've tried:

Ruger Scout in 308, TC venture 308, FN M70 Supergrade 308:
-Nosler 165gr Accubond
-Federal 150gr Blue box
-Barnes 168gr TTSX
-Remington 150gr & 180gr CL

FN M70 Featherweight 243, TC Icon 243:

-Federal Premium 100gr Partition
-Winchester 100gr PP
-Federal 100gr Blue Box

FN M70 Extreme Weather 30/06:

- Anything (really)

Sako A7-s 7mm-08:

-Remington 140gr CL

Tikka 270 T3 Hunter SS

-Hornady 130gr SP
-Federal Premium 140gr AB

Marlin 30-30 336c, 336ss, 336xlr, 30as:

-Federal Fusion 170gr
-Hornady 160gr FTX

Remington 700 35 Whelen:

-Federal Premium 225gr TBBC

Marlin 35 Remington 336c:

-Federal 200gr Blue box

Ruger 77/357, Marlin 1894c

-Blaser Brass 158gr
-Hornady 125gr XTP




Too many more............. It's a start
 
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Skidood said:
I'm not saying that your post is childish WhelanLad, just that the "every gun is different crowd" should simply move on if they have nothing relevant to add.
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You should consider something, though: If the "every gun is different crowd" is 100% right, and the people advising you otherwise aren't doing you any favors, you're shooting yourself in the foot by being willfully ignorant.

Also: it's a public forum, so the public participates however they want. Just a fact that's not worth getting upset about.
 
A sticky grouped by manufacturer and then model would be beneficial to a lot of people, myself included. It would be helpful to see if certain makes/models of firearms and chamberings trend toward certain types/brand of ammo.

Like GMC403 posted, I can see that his Sako A7 likes --- and his .270 likes --- (Thanks for that). From there I can make a more educated guess, rather than buying a box of each ammo available in my area. I haven't counted them but I'd say there's at least 35-40 different options for .270win where I live, in the different places I shop. I don't have enough time to spend at the range to test all of that.

Lol Hitzy, I don't know how to reload and haven't looked into it yet. Time and the space to do it are also factors for me. That and I'd have to ask the same questions in the reloading forum. :)
 
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For a hunters rifle, the vast majority of all this garbage about, "What my gun likes," is absolute hogwash.
Unless the rifle left the factory with something like the bore not being dead centre of the barrel, a poor made bore, or unless the rifle later got damaged, such as a bent barrel or damaged muzzle, there is at least a 99% chance it will shoot to hunting standards, or maybe much better, if the action and barrel are properly bedded.
The key to the whole thing is if the rifle will shoot five shots, one after the other, letting the barrel get hot, and maintain a suitable group. During the glory years of shooting and hunting, the fifteen or so years following WW2, there were a great many competition shooters and every one of us tested our rifles, to see if they would maintain POI as the barrel warmed. If they wouldn't, they immediately got bedded, because there wasn't a competition in existence, that allowed enough time to let the barrel cool between shots.
During this period I was looking for a new rifle and poured over all the ads like a kid with a Christmas catalogue. I was concentrating on what the ads said about accuracy and settled on a Sako L61 in 270 calibre. When I went to the range to check it I was almost pleading, 'please be accurate!' But no way. The groups went a good three inches in vertical spread at a hundred yards, as the barrel heated up.
Took it home and went to work on the bedding, ending with the usual pressure point under the barrel at the front of the stock and I had a deadly accurate rifle until the barrel was worn out. And there was no such thing as having to adjust the hand loads for that particular rifle. My only adjustments was to seat so the cartridges would work through the magazine and the bolt would close on the round, plus I would check charge weight, to see what I could load to, until signs of excess pressure showed up.
It was a very accurate rifle, with any good ammunition, factory or hand load, fed to it.
I don't relate one bit, to the much over used phrase, it is only the first shot that counts in hunting. I relate to the famous phrase from post WW 1 time, by Townsend Whelen, "Only accurate guns are interesting."
 
Slamfire said:
Some use factory ammo so they don't void the firearm warranty.
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Well we don't get much warranty service here anyway in Canada, at least with the big name companies due to the distribution system. Plus they run as short as 1 year for Savage, or absolutely no warranty at all with Ruger.
And if you are lucky enough to blow up your gun with factory ammo they will just point the finger at each other and you will get nothing anyway.... maybe a free box of ammo for the gun you don't have.
 
Slamfire said:
Some use factory ammo so they don't void the firearm warranty.
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When I buy new I always run a box of factory through just in case something goes wrong. Worked out when I got a Zastava with a rough bolt face that left an indent on the brass, first question when I returned it "what ammunition were you using?"
 
Sako offers a 2 year warranty and they believe "Damage to rifles occurs almost exclusively when using hand-loaded cartridges." :eek:

http://www.sako.fi/support/sako-limited-warranty

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Slamfire said:
Some use factory ammo so they don't void the firearm warranty.
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Slamfire said:
Sako offers a 2 year warranty and they believe "Damage to rifles occurs almost exclusively when using hand-loaded cartridges." :eek:

http://www.sako.fi/support/sako-limited-warranty

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Then there are the Remington's and Winchester's that sell rifles and reloading components, but tell you not to shoot reloads in their rifles... conflicting message there?
My Benelli has a 10 year warranty, but here in Canada that is handled by Stoeger (same distributor as Sako btw) which means it's not worth much more then the piece of laminated cardboard it's written on.
Oh, and it's never seen a factory round, reloads from the start, probably the same for the last 20 new guns I bought too. I trust myself, and my handloads 100% more then I trust factory ammo.
 
Hitzy said:
Then there are the Remington's and Winchester's that sell rifles and reloading components, but tell you not to shoot reloads in their rifles... conflicting message there?
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No - not as far as not voiding the warranty, if offered (Remington does and Winchester doesn't), is concerned.
 
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Incidentally, Cabela's has a rather interesting policy regarding defective firearms -

"New firearms: All sales are FINAL. If a firearm is defective, we will exchange it within 30 days of purchase. After 30 days, contact the manufacturer or an authorized service centre for warranty determination and/or repair..."
http://www.cabelas.ca/pages/return-policy
 
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Was not Singling you out Skidoo, it happens everywhere ,no doubt. but for me I see it a lot on here.
they normally last a handful of Posts with varied Brands and weights..


my post may have been Childish in the wording but I think some fellas picked up what I was putting down, someone with better wording can maybe make some kind of sticky to read before posting about which Factory Ammo my Kimber Montana likes the best?

I think the Gurus have covered it well in above posts.



WL

edit* if anything its a worthy discussion. - possibly no truer word spoken regarding that unless the rifle is bedded/floating then not much will be too Good.
 
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