Also known as a Middlestead. Friend had one years ago. Good long range varmint round but hellishly hard on the bore. In a semi-auto the barrel would be done by the time you worked up an accurate load.
243 win m14 barrel?
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Also known as a Middlestead. Friend had one years ago. Good long range varmint round but hellishly hard on the bore. In a semi-auto the barrel would be done by the time you worked up an accurate load.
several years ago now I was approached by jerry at mystic precision to assist in a venture that would have seen McGowan rifle barrels machining M1A barrels in several chamberings based on the .308 cartridge. I busted my hump getting the drawings organized and drawn up to our specifications as well as providing copies of authentic blueprints. McGowan dragged their heels for months promising "it's happening" .... and then the big let down and really I never got an explanation .... just a big question mark and a bunch of fuggen around for nuthin LOL
This topic comes up about once a year I'd say and still, not one Canadian gun parts slinger or barrel provider has taken up the torch.... instead they are just fine with us ordering US product at stupid prices due to the exchange. It's a fricken piece of steel fellas... any machinist worth his salt should have zero trouble doing the R&D and machining to make us barrels..... they just don't want to.
I've been wanting a .338 federal m14 for some time now and I just might have it one day , in fact...... here's an offer that any reputable barrel maker in this country can take to the bank..
I'll pay you ONE THOUSAND crisp new Canadian dollars for a match medium profile stainless M14 barrel short chambered in .338 federal, 19inch finished length (not including receiver threads) and I'll even send you the drawings. You supply the labour and blank. BUT it's gotta fit
there, now if that doesn't get me a barrel, nothing will.
LOL
This topic comes up about once a year I'd say and still, not one Canadian gun parts slinger or barrel provider has taken up the torch.... instead they are just fine with us ordering US product at stupid prices due to the exchange. It's a fricken piece of steel fellas... any machinist worth his salt should have zero trouble doing the R&D and machining to make us barrels..... they just don't want to.
I've been wanting a .338 federal m14 for some time now and I just might have it one day , in fact...... here's an offer that any reputable barrel maker in this country can take to the bank..
I'll pay you ONE THOUSAND crisp new Canadian dollars for a match medium profile stainless M14 barrel short chambered in .338 federal, 19inch finished length (not including receiver threads) and I'll even send you the drawings. You supply the labour and blank. BUT it's gotta fit
there, now if that doesn't get me a barrel, nothing will.
LOL
m14medic.ca
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Gee Thomas.....
For $550 USD John Wolf offers a 338 federal bbl.
Pay someone to bring one in!
Duty, exchange, tax and import, shouldn't cost more than $1050.... I was thinking it would make a nice Christmas present to myself!
Down side, Wolf only offers them in 18.5" and 22". And it's a "proprietary" medium weight profile.
He lists it as an option when ordering a bbl.
As a side note, I'm still working with a local fella who has acquired a boring machine..... hoping I can get him to re-bore a chi-com .308 to 338 1-10 twist! Unfortunately, it's been a year and he still hasn't set up the machine yet! Nor have I ordered a pull-through reamer yet.....
John
For $550 USD John Wolf offers a 338 federal bbl.
Pay someone to bring one in!
Duty, exchange, tax and import, shouldn't cost more than $1050.... I was thinking it would make a nice Christmas present to myself!
Down side, Wolf only offers them in 18.5" and 22". And it's a "proprietary" medium weight profile.
He lists it as an option when ordering a bbl.
As a side note, I'm still working with a local fella who has acquired a boring machine..... hoping I can get him to re-bore a chi-com .308 to 338 1-10 twist! Unfortunately, it's been a year and he still hasn't set up the machine yet! Nor have I ordered a pull-through reamer yet.....
John
18.5" is perfectly fine by me.
can you import one for me if I prepay it? I seriously just have no time to deal with that hoop jumping anymore...... but let's be clear here, to a point, money is not a concern so if it's more than a grand..... big deal
m14medic.ca
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18.5" is perfectly fine by me.
can you import one for me if I prepay it? I seriously just have no time to deal with that hoop jumping anymore...... but let's be clear here, to a point, money is not a concern so if it's more than a grand..... big deal
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Got it, thanx man.
I've been purposefully staying out of the gun scene and related business. Have moved on hehehe
I never was all that active on the US m14 sites, here and there over the years but otherwise minimal use so I'm quite out of the loop with all the goings on. Politically at home and as far as what has become available for parts/barrels.
if Jwolf has .338fed barrels.... well now..... I'm in.
I have a virgin SEI receiver and associated parts. Looks like I gotta go dust off my stock making equipment and start working on a special hunting stock for when that barrel arrives mruahahaha
dude.... I used to be the m14Doctor LOLZ if there was a way before now, I most certainly would have found it.
Krieger will not cut just ONE barrel in the m1A/M14 profile they do runs of 50 I believe.... might be 25?
M14 barrels require a milling machine and a lathe to complete and all the work coming up with the program for cnc..... so it's not so simple to just call up ol Peter Dobson, or Jerry Teo.... ect ect been down that road and no one in Canada.... or the USA could make me a barrel.
it's only till this thread and m14medic's post that I have come to learn about jwolf offering a .338fed.
The US market has been calling for 243 and 260 and 7mm08 for years and Krieger still has not taken the time to address the demand. A handful of Canadians won't make them do it either.
I know we are derailing the thread with .338fed talk .... Sorry OP hehe
All my research shows that the only modification to the rifle required for .338 fed is a slightly larger gas port in the barrel.
I have not seen any data on a rifle in this caliber stress tested under normal conditions so not sure about oprod wear but looking at the pressures and stuff..... it's in the ballpark of what the rifle is designed to handle.
The first .338fed I'm aware of was called the Border Ruffian and I "think" was a pet project with springfield involved as it was built on a springfield receiver. Not sure where the barrel was from , it was a long time ago. I think the original article was around a decade ago? in guns and ammo magazine.
I've wanted one ever since LOL
All my research shows that the only modification to the rifle required for .338 fed is a slightly larger gas port in the barrel.
I have not seen any data on a rifle in this caliber stress tested under normal conditions so not sure about oprod wear but looking at the pressures and stuff..... it's in the ballpark of what the rifle is designed to handle.
The first .338fed I'm aware of was called the Border Ruffian and I "think" was a pet project with springfield involved as it was built on a springfield receiver. Not sure where the barrel was from , it was a long time ago. I think the original article was around a decade ago? in guns and ammo magazine.
I've wanted one ever since LOL
358Rooster
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I'm confused.......
358Rooster
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No kidding?! That's something I definitely didn't know. Any idea when this was or why they stopped producing other chamberings?
I once took a brand new from box factory springfield loaded with an unfired barrel , 3 degrees over indexed and 1 thou over the 7.62 nato match gauge. So the chamber measured 1.6355 (nato match is 1.6345). The customer wanted a match .308 headspace of 1.630 and the only way to give him that was to pull the factory provided springer barrel and thread in a Krieger medium short chambered stainless pipe, then finish reaming to .308. So he went from .308ish to .308 LOL
it's apples to apples .... but you get my drift.
These rifles would be a hoot in many different funtionable calibers with similar pressure curves. It's all about the powders and what mimics 7.62nato/.308 ammunition in order to run the gas system correctly. Perhaps barrel makers and gun builders shy away from such exotics for lack of demand or maybe it's the R&D issues around the possibility of needing custom gas system parts and then that leads down the road to liability protections and..... ya I can understand the lack of motivation on the industry side..... but there is a BUT LOL .... if a guy has more money than good sense.... why the hell is it so hard to find a guy who will take said money (in Canada) and make a custom barrel in whatever caliber the guy with more money than sense wants? It truly baffles me hahaha
luckily , it appears jwolf has the .338fed barrel I am after and if I do get that in my mitts way up here in canuckistan...... well now, I'll be doing my happy dance LOL
Springfield did it in the 1970s. I used to import them at one time. That was when they used mostly all military
parts in assembling their guns. 243 was offered for a few years by them. They were the only factory guys to
offer it. Maybe they would do it again. I think it really had a lot to do with export to Europe. At the time 308 was
not allowed in semi automatic rifles for civilians, so 243 was offered. Saw a few in Germany around the same
time at waffen frankonia main store.
parts in assembling their guns. 243 was offered for a few years by them. They were the only factory guys to
offer it. Maybe they would do it again. I think it really had a lot to do with export to Europe. At the time 308 was
not allowed in semi automatic rifles for civilians, so 243 was offered. Saw a few in Germany around the same
time at waffen frankonia main store.
