No more Vortex for me

It's all about budgeting. Cut out coffee or beer or smokes. Sell some stuff. Get out of other less involved hobbies. Own fewer guns but better quality guns/optics. Are you a collector or a shooter? Tough to do both.
 
im pretty sure that bushnell has been in the optics business a lot longer than vortex.

I had an ooold bushnell/banner lite sight scope, steel tube, good glass, bought in the late 80's before I upgraded to the leupolds. I finally sold it last year to a guy at my club and he's happy with it now. I would have no issue buying any of their 3200/4200/6200 or new elites. I always recommend the 10x to guys at my club on a tight budget looking for a good tactical scope.
 
Kidd X said:
US Optics. Nightforce. Swarovski. Zeiss. Leica. Schmidt and Bender. Trijicon. Hensoldt. Kahles. March. Tangent theta. Premier.
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Some might think they don't need the features for ultra-reliable ultra-long range precision shot capabilities that some brands claim to provide. And some might think they do.

Repeatable 'Minute of Moose' is good enough for some. :p
 
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LeftFootOfDoom said:
im pretty sure that bushnell has been in the optics business a lot longer than vortex.

I had an ooold bushnell/banner lite sight scope, steel tube, good glass, bought in the late 80's before I upgraded to the leupolds. I finally sold it last year to a guy at my club and he's happy with it now. I would have no issue buying any of their 3200/4200/6200 or new elites. I always recommend the 10x to guys at my club on a tight budget looking for a good tactical scope.
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If a company has been in business for a long time...it automatically makes it better than other companies? I don't see the connection there.
 
Kidd X said:
US Optics. Nightforce. Swarovski. Zeiss. Leica. Schmidt and Bender. Trijicon. Hensoldt. Kahles. March. Tangent theta. Premier.
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I know this is a Vortex bashing thread but I would add the Vortex Razor Line to this list. I have Razor HD binos and a Spotting scope and they are amazing. I also have a Razor AMG scope on order. If you follow any of the PRS shooting trends in the past couple years, the Razor HD Gen II riflescope is making huge strides and generally loved within this community. Those guys run their equipment hard... and likely wouldn't settle for an inferior product.
 
I used to be a real cynic about Vortex and have written here and elsewhere that I wasn't a fan - well, actually, I was OK with the PST line but the others I thought overpriced for what they were. I have recently changed my tune after owning and reviewing the Vortex Razor HD which genuinely impressed me and I say that this is a scope that isn't out of place next to my S+B PM ii scopes.
 
Tomochan said:
I used to be a real cynic about Vortex and have written here and elsewhere that I wasn't a fan - well, actually, I was OK with the PST line but the others I thought overpriced for what they were. I have recently changed my tune after owning and reviewing the Vortex Razor HD which genuinely impressed me and I say that this is a scope that isn't out of place next to my S+B PM ii scopes.
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And neither is the price tag. For razor hd money i will stick with more reputable brands.
 
Kidd X said:
And neither is the price tag. For razor hd money i will stick with more reputable brands.
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So for $700 less than a SB PMII, I ordered a Vortex razor AMG. I have yet to receive it because they were just released but they are trickling out slowly. its a 6-24x50 where the PMII is 5-25x56. On paper it looks like the SB wins until you start looking at the tunneling issues that the PMII's have which really makes them more like a 7-25x56. Glass quality is a subjective variable however on the Snipershide forums, the AMG has been reviewed as having excellent glass. It also features, Locking turrets, illumination, FFP, and on and on...

40% of the shooters in the top 50 in the season Finale PRS event in the states were running Vortex Razor's as opposed to 8% running S&B... If Vortex isn't a reputable brand, they wouldn't have that large of a market share in the PRS competitions. Sure you can say these guys might be sponsored, but they still perform on the top of their game with a Vortex scope. I'm sure that these guys, as competitive as they are, wouldn't even shoot a Vortex if they felt it put them at a disadvantage even if they were sponsored.
 
I have 2 viper scopes, a viper spotting scope, a sparc and a venom.

I don't work for them, and I've handed them a lot of money, but the optics are all good. They hold zero, and they are on the rifles I shoot the most. .308 - .22


For that many scopes you would think they would send me a free t-shirt :)
 
DMS1 said:
You didn't buy a $400 scope. You bought the equivalent of a $100 Tasco and paid $400 for it. For $400 you could have put a bushnell elite that are tested and consistently hold up to the recoil. Unless you go over $1000 price point I would buy Leupold over Vortex any day.
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Some develop a brand loyalty based on experiences with that brand along with perceived value. I've looked at Vortex offerings and there are really no compelling reasons for me to purchase any of their products. I like their 1-6x Strike Eagle scope but the low price makes me wonder about its quality.

After all, Vortex - The Force of Optics - is competing with Leupold - America's Optics Authority. :p
 
Clocked92 said:
So for $700 less than a SB PMII, I ordered a Vortex razor AMG. I have yet to receive it because they were just released but they are trickling out slowly. its a 6-24x50 where the PMII is 5-25x56. On paper it looks like the SB wins until you start looking at the tunneling issues that the PMII's have which really makes them more like a 7-25x56. Glass quality is a subjective variable however on the Snipershide forums, the AMG has been reviewed as having excellent glass. It also features, Locking turrets, illumination, FFP, and on and on...

40% of the shooters in the top 50 in the season Finale PRS event in the states were running Vortex Razor's as opposed to 8% running S&B... If Vortex isn't a reputable brand, they wouldn't have that large of a market share in the PRS competitions. Sure you can say these guys might be sponsored, but they still perform on the top of their game with a Vortex scope. I'm sure that these guys, as competitive as they are, wouldn't even shoot a Vortex if they felt it put them at a disadvantage even if they were sponsored.
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You are the second person in this thread to compare a Vortex to a higher priced scope....OP did the same. Is that part of the value in buying a Vortex, claiming it's as good as more expensive scopes?
Why not compare it to a lower priced scope? Bushnell XRS 4.5-30x50 for example (made in Japan) and what, like $1000 cheaper then the Vortex AMG? What does the AMG have over it?
Or a NF NXF 5.5-22x50, also Japan, also about $1000 cheaper then the Vortex and also very comparable. What does it do over that?
Other then they "claim" 100% made in USA which seems doubtful, but whatever.
 
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Clocked92 said:
So for $700 less than a SB PMII, I ordered a Vortex razor AMG. I have yet to receive it because they were just released but they are trickling out slowly. its a 6-24x50 where the PMII is 5-25x56. On paper it looks like the SB wins until you start looking at the tunneling issues that the PMII's have which really makes them more like a 7-25x56. Glass quality is a subjective variable however on the Snipershide forums, the AMG has been reviewed as having excellent glass. It also features, Locking turrets, illumination, FFP, and on and on...

40% of the shooters in the top 50 in the season Finale PRS event in the states were running Vortex Razor's as opposed to 8% running S&B... If Vortex isn't a reputable brand, they wouldn't have that large of a market share in the PRS competitions. Sure you can say these guys might be sponsored, but they still perform on the top of their game with a Vortex scope. I'm sure that these guys, as competitive as they are, wouldn't even shoot a Vortex if they felt it put them at a disadvantage even if they were sponsored.
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For the money you paid(and in the price range of an S&B) there had best not be any issues with the optic. All I'm saying and I think some others are in agreement is that Vortex offers a lot of low quality junk until you start paying high dollar which would put you in the market for near anything from more reputable brands who have a much longer history and are vetted by both military and LE units as opposed to simply competitors.

Im not saying competitors are always the gentlest on their gear but in general they baby the sh*t out of it. Military personnel generally don't care if it breaks as they aren't financially responsible for it. They use their gear hard and if it fails oh well. If the competitors you mention are sponsored then their choice in optics is moot being that it's absolutely bought and paid for. A reputable manufacturer doesn't sell low end garbage as well as higher end quality stuff under the same name.
 
Hitzy said:
You are the second person in this thread to compare a Vortex to a higher priced scope....OP did the same. Is that part of the value in buying a Vortex, claiming it's as good as more expensive scopes?
Why not compare it to a lower priced scope? Bushnell XRS 4.5-30x50 for example (made in Japan) and what, like $1000 cheaper then the Vortex AMG? What does the AMG have over it?
Or a NF NXF 5.5-22x50, also Japan, also about $1000 cheaper then the Vortex and also very comparable. What does it do over that?
Other then they "claim" 100% made in USA which seems doubtful, but whatever.
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For starters... the NF NXS is a Second Focal Plane design which doesn't compare at all to the AMG which is a FFP. You'd be better off to compare the ATACR F1 which is easily $600 more than the AMG. The AMG is built 100% in the USA with materials sourced in the USA as well. Frank from SH went and toured the factory as they were developing these scopes. Not sure you actually care about the facts though since you just seem to have a made up your mind about Vortex based on your experience with their cheapest models.
 
Kidd X said:
For the money you paid(and in the price range of an S&B) there had best not be any issues with the optic. All I'm saying and I think some others are in agreement is that Vortex offers a lot of low quality junk until you start paying high dollar which would put you in the market for near anything from more reputable brands who have a much longer history and are vetted by both military and LE units as opposed to simply competitors.

Im not saying competitors are always the gentlest on their gear but in general they baby the sh*t out of it. Military personnel generally don't care if it breaks as they aren't financially responsible for it. They use their gear hard and if it fails oh well. If the competitors you mention are sponsored then their choice in optics is moot being that it's absolutely bought and paid for. A reputable manufacturer doesn't sell low end garbage as well as higher end quality stuff under the same name.
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No you're right... I certainly hope there isn't an issue with it. However if 5 years down the road I drop the scope and bust something... I know it'll be covered whereas a S&B the warranty would have already expired and I'd have to pay to fix it.
 
Clocked92 said:
No you're right... I certainly hope there isn't an issue with it. However if 5 years down the road I drop the scope and bust something... I know it'll be covered whereas a S&B the warranty would have already expired and I'd have to pay to fix it.
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Right on the NXS... not FFP.
What if Vortex is tits up in 5 years?
 
Just so everyone is aware of Bushnell's new warranty... Lifetime, unconditional, over the counter anywhere in North America. If the dealer doesn't have your scope in stock... you get the next model up at no charge.

This applies to the 3500 elite line and up
 
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