Please help identify this Walther PPK accessory...

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Hiya,

Found this recently. The 5 small cartridge-looking things appear to be dummy rounds and the brass rod appears to be a cleaning rod but I'm unsure what the rest is. Anyone with any knowledge of this stuff? Here are pics of the box, the contents, and a document that came with it. Translations would be cool. :)

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NVShooter said:
Hiya,

Found this recently. The 5 small cartridge-looking things appear to be dummy rounds and the brass rod appears to be a cleaning rod but I'm unsure what the rest is. Anyone with any knowledge of this stuff? Here are pics of the box, the contents, and a document that came with it. Translations would be cool. :)

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Wow! what you have there is an indoor training adapter to fire M20 4mm training ammo.
 
Basically, this is a conversion to fire 4mm M20 training ammo when German police was using the PP/PPK pistols. The 7.65mm original barrel needed to be replaced with the one included in the conversion and 4 mm ammo is used in these inserts to load the factory mag.

It's a great find, to my knowledge Lothar-Walther still manufactures this kind of conversions but yours looks like a late 30's factory one. 4mm ammo, on the other hand is nearly impossible to find nowadays.
 
Harry Callahan said:
Basically, this is a conversion to fire 4mm M20 training ammo when German police was using the PP/PPK pistols. The 7.65mm original barrel needed to be replaced with the one included in the conversion and 4 mm ammo is used in these inserts to load the factory mag.

It's a great find, to my knowledge Lothar-Walther still manufactures this kind of conversions but yours looks like a late 30's factory one. 4mm ammo, on the other hand is nearly impossible to find nowadays.
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Thank you for this!

I guess I'll have to look around to see if I can locate any 4mm ammo. This is from my father's estate and there are still lots of boxes to explore. There is also a PPK to go with it, which I'm still doing research on. Any idea what (reasonably) the above might be worth? I can't keep the PPK and so the whole package has to go.
 
I would guess that the 4mm conversion in the condition shown would be valued at around $500. It's a very nice set, complete with the 5 inserts.
 
Depending on the condition of the 7.65 PPK, anywhere between $800 to $1300 for the set if the pistols is in excellent condition to the right buyer, of course.
 
Thanks very much for this. I've found some of his stuff I thought was quite valuable, only to discover not so much. Dad always thought all of his stuff was worth the moon so I'm getting a reality check on most of it. Ha!
 
If the PPK is the same age as the conversion kit appears to be, you could be a 12.7 as noted above. Although there are no visible Reich proof/production marks, which would mean very early 1930's (pre Hitler)
 
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Dark Alley Dan said:
If that PPK is pre-'46, you may be able to have it "bequathed" to you by the estate, making you a 12.7 guy...
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As I am beginning to discover, dating a PPK is not always that obvious. I managed to gather some "evidence" of its age (1938) and have sent that off to the CFO...so waiting to see what comes back.

In the mean time, I also managed to locate an original tin full of 4mm ammo...cool!:dancingbanana:
 
Oh...just to tone down my little happy dance, my father is, in legal terms, my "step-dad", and not a blood relative. As a result, I am still going to have to sell the gun, but at least (I hope) the CPC will have a pre-'46 date on it, allowing someone else to pass it on.
 
Germans kept fastidious records, and the serial number will yield date of manufacture. PM me the serial number and I can look it up in one of my books and send a reference for you.

I've had the CFC admit this as evidence for some 12.7s of my own, even after they initially rejected them.
 
It seems odd they wouldn't allow your stepfather to pass it down via the ol' 12.6-->12.7 boogie. Maybe double check that before you do anything rash.

I'm just loathe to see something this cool leave your hands unnecessarily. My son is adopted - does that mean my '03 Pocket Colt can't go to him when I'm done with it?
 
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