All Steel Striker Fired Pistols? Where are they?
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Greenhorse six
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Nambu Type 94 , Luger P08 , Savage Model 1907 , and a few others , but for the most part , it was a design that was on the losing side in 2 world wars......if that means anything , just kidding .
Really? I'll have to check that out.
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Dang it gdawg! Beat me to it!
Easily one of the ###iest guns period!
Easily one of the ###iest guns period!
Because it costs more, weighs more, and handgun contracts are all about that low, low price. Like others have mentioned, there are historic steel-framed, striker-fired pistols, but the current trend of service pistols are polymer-framed and that's unlikely to change back to steel/aluminum.
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Well there is the Roth-Steyr M1907 in 8mm.
But, it's been out of production for a little while........
But, it's been out of production for a little while........
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this one is arguably the best
A very well-made handgun.
However, the front squeeze-cocker action of this pistol requires careful use, in my opinion.
I found a tendency to tense my trigger finger together with my other fingers when cocking it.
That might translate into an unintentional discharge without some practice.
Just my impression on first handling one back in the day.
I agree with what you're saying. If I go back to the Sig P226 for example, that's not a cheap gun to buy and in my area I see the RCMP, the OPP and the new armed guards at the parliament all equipped with them.
In theory, would it really be more expensive to make a striker-fired P226 than the standard one?
It seems that a lot of military and police departments still prefer the steel/aluminum/alloy framed pistols. In my personal opinion, if a major manufacturer would come out with one in a full size and compact model it would generate a lot of interest.
New MIL/LE RFPs are typically of the polymer variety. The FBI's most recent and the US Army's MHS have requirements best met by polymer frames. Glock has been becoming the standard sidearm of the western world. Metal frames don't provide much, if any, benefit over plastic in terms of service guns, at the cost of expense and weight.
Converting a 226 to striker-fired isn't a worthwhile thing to do. The principle advantage of striker-fired pistols is a low bore axis.
It is definitely unique. It takes a far amount of effort to #### the mechanism but actually very little pressure to keep it cocked. I have not seen reviews of it as a service pistol, but I seem to recall reading that the design is considered very safe.
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You are correct. The pressure to #### it on the draw is a bit more than how you would normally apply on the grip of a 1911 or a Glock. The difference is you have to apply more pressure to the front of the grip. As long as you draw without putting your trigger finger on the trigger, there is zero chance of a ND.
The PSP was used by a lot of LE in West Germany and I think the New Jersey PD had the M8 version for a while. The gun is safe once the cocker is released eg. when the gun is dropped.
The only issue I see with the P7 is that the squeeze cocker is quite loud on activation and esp. on release. As a stealth gun in LE hands in the quiet night, you can definitely give away your location by the clicking sound.
Also, keeping pressure on the cocker for longer periods can cause hand fatigue. It is also not a good gun for prolonged shooting due to the heat generated by the gas system, even with the plastic heat shield on the M8/13/10 versions.
Edited. NJPD had the M8, not M13. The M13 was built for the US Army trials which the Beretta won.
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Good stuff. I didn't realize it was ever used as a service pistol in NA. That is pretty neat.
I can see that it would not be ideal for applications requiring a little stealth. Definitely audible clicking when cocking and releasing.
Just my 2 cents worth, but I think the real question would be why would they? It's kind of an answer to a question no one is asking. Manufacturers will make whatever the market demands. If they think there is a reasonable chance of making a buck, they will make it.
Because of how the cocking amd firing mechanisms of striker fired pistols work, there will never be a striker fired pistol that has a trigger as nice as a single action pistol or DA/SA pistol after the DA shot.
I guess where I'm going is that striker fired pistols are, and will probably always be, designed and sold for the service pistol market and that market is looking for cheap, reliable pistols that are east to train a large number of people to use. So polymer striker fired pistols rule the day.
If something shifts in the market and agencies suddenly start specifying metal framed, striker fired handguns then manufacturers will respond en mass and make them.
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this one is arguably the best
The only one that matters
