What is the shortest but highest end double-barrel shotgun?

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Claybuster said:
Attitudes like his are why this site thankfully has two shotgun forums.

That linked article from Small Arms Review is a joke. The only patterning that was done was with 00 Buck at 15 yards. The spread in velocity between the longest and shortest length was 488fps which is hardly "comparable."

The lovers of stubby shotguns should come out to clay shoots and put their money where their mouths are. "Grandpa" could always use a little extra spending money at Christmas time. :d
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Extremely well said!
 
At what length exactly starts to offend purists? I'm being serious.
I shoot everything from 18.5" to 32". I'm not a purist nor am I a mall ninja. I enjoy shooting and love guns. Personally for a sxs I prefer 26.5". Pumps I like 24". Semis I like 22" but for ou guns I prefer 30" and 32" for single barrel trap guns

However my collection of sxs guns run from 22"-32"
 
canvasback said:
Right, that's why the world's top shooters use short barreled guns in the shooting sports. That's why highly skilled bird hunters talk endlessly about barrel length and weight and it's impact on follow through....

What?

It doesn't?

Oops? ...
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Sorry to ask, I am not a master in shooting clays, but doesn't the length of the barrel has more in commun with the swing and pointing than with the actual pattern of the spread ? No, I don't use google when it comes to common sense. What I learnt from my experience is that most important thing is the choke, not the length of the barrel when it comes to shooting a shotgun. As women say, girth is important, length... not THAT much.

P.S. Take these guys for granted if you don't really believe it :
14" length --> https://youtu.be/6geA_R0fNmI
22" length --> https://youtu.be/p2ocB0rExhw fast forward to about 16 min mark and you'll see the Light.
Conclusion : ---> https://youtu.be/hbaYBC8TtWk. 14" vs 28" guess what it is ?
 
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voldar said:
Sorry to ask, I am not a master in shooting clays, but doesn't the length of the barrel has more in commun with the swing and pointing than with the actual pattern of the spread ? No, I don't use google when it comes to common sense. What I learnt from my experience is that most important thing is the choke, not the length of the barrel when it comes to shooting a shotgun. As women say, girth is important, length... not THAT much.
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My preference for wingshooting and clay shooting is with a longer barrelled shotgun. Swing a gun with a 30" barrel and then try the same gun with a 26" barrel and the difference is astronomical. And believe me, any woman that says girth is more important then length hasnt experienced a long fatty. A woman will always pick a 10g with a 32" barrel over a 10g with a 18" barrel
 
1963beretta said:
...A woman will always pick a 10g with a 32" barrel over a 10g with a 18" barrel
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This is more about the woman than the gun.

And to get back to the point I made above, which was something I debated myself, the situation is Real: it is not the length of the barrel the one who gives the edge in shotguns world. It is more about the amo and the choke.
Long barrels were used in the 60' when the powder was slow to burn, and the length of the barrel allowed longer time to burn that powder. Not the same thing today.
 
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Perhaps the OP should have given a price range for what they consider "high end" - yes, we might all agree that a custom shotgun that takes a year to receive after ordering with a pricetag in the 15-25K range is "high end" by anyone's standards, the definition is different for different people. And it's not about "snobbery". Some consider high end and over priced to be anything they can't "personally" afford.

I just bought an over/under that will run me $2500 by the time it goes through the cash register, and while "reasonable" for an O/U and probably the "highest end" shotgun I will ever own personally, it's still a grand "cheaper" than the (starting) B guns with similar features. I also handled a "high end" side by side that a 6K price tag on it and it was still pretty much a "production gun" with next to no hand fitting/finishing - so "expensive" for most of us, but still not "high end".

At the same show where I ordered my shotgun there was a Norinco JW2000 coach gun. Not high end in anyone's books - but it had 12" barrels and would probably retail in the high 300 buck range.

And yes, as someone mentioned, there is the Chiappa 3 barrel (coach guns) but have "super long" 18.5" barrels. When I picked one up it "felt" like it weighed 20 pounds (ok, only weighs a little over 8 pounds in reality, but it's so stubby that it feels like a brick in your hands - no "balance", just a big "hunk of weight").

I made a comment to the guy in the booth that it would be fine if I was sitting in the seat of a stagecoach but I sure wouldn't want to have to carry the thing very far. And while that model would likely relieve your wallet of close to $2500 with taxes in, that is only "high end" if you think $500 is a lot of money for a shotgun.

If the OP truly wants a "high end" S/S I'm not sure any of the makers would create a piece to his specifications.
 
canvasback said:
Someone's letting the green guy loose! LOL

It's kinda like...

Pacer.....Gremlin.....classic car design

Which of these things is not like the other?
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Hey now, there's one exception.
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VictoryXC said:
Now why would you have to go and post such a moronic comment like that? :(
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My bad. Op, your are apparently posting this in the wrong subsection of this forum. Anything that deviates from a classic sxs design is a useless abomination and will upset the fudds who will in turn go on fuddy rants about how it's less ideal and has no place in the world. Or I could say fudds are gonna fudd. Some people say silly things, some do silly things, like own victorys
 
voldar said:
Sorry to ask, I am not a master in shooting clays, but doesn't the length of the barrel has more in commun with the swing and pointing than with the actual pattern of the spread ? No, I don't use google when it comes to common sense. What I learnt from my experience is that most important thing is the choke, not the length of the barrel when it comes to shooting a shotgun. As women say, girth is important, length... not THAT much.

P.S. Take these guys for granted if you don't really believe it :
14" length --> https://youtu.be/6geA_R0fNmI
22" length --> https://youtu.be/p2ocB0rExhw fast forward to about 16 min mark and you'll see the Light.
Conclusion : ---> https://youtu.be/hbaYBC8TtWk. 14" vs 28" guess what it is ?
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Voldar, did you read what you quoted from me? Where I referenced hunters and barrel length I specifically referred to barrel length impact on follow through. I said nothing about patterns or velocity.

Brybenn, I can't speak for anyone else but there is no barrel length that "offends" me. As I said in an earlier post, go ahead, what makes you happy, I'm good with. My objection is to the full of #### condescension exhibited by grelmar and the name calling "douchy" by Travis Bickle.

If in the eyes of the moron j-06, that makes me a fudd, well, I guess I'm a fudd. But that's obviously a pretty ####ed up definition then. Maybe these black gun aficionados have a reading or comprehension problem.
 
j_06 said:
My bad. Op, your are apparently posting this in the wrong subsection of this forum. Anything that deviates from a classic sxs design is a useless abomination and will upset the fudds who will in turn go on fuddy rants about how it's less ideal and has no place in the world. Or I could say fudds are gonna fudd. Some people say silly things, some do silly things, like own victorys
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You're an ####### buddy. Disappear back to the other forums you normally hang in.
 
j_06 said:
My bad. Op, your are apparently posting this in the wrong subsection of this forum. Anything that deviates from a classic sxs design is a useless abomination and will upset the fudds who will in turn go on fuddy rants about how it's less ideal and has no place in the world. Or I could say fudds are gonna fudd. Some people say silly things, some do silly things, like own victorys
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Somewhere out there is a tree tirelessly producing oxygen so you can breathe.

I think you owe it an apology. :p
 
I have shot and owned quite a few short barreled shotguns, some I used when guided and some just for fun.
I killed partridge with both a short CZ and a Rossi coach gun, and lots of bears with Savage 311's cut to 18"
The lockwork and triggers on all of them including the CZ was nothing at all like the Pedersoli Earp model that is available, that is a truly nice shotgun for the money.
I don't own nne but shoot one of their 28" barreled models and have killed many geese, Sharptails and pheasants with it.
Same gun only with longer barrels.
I would not seriously consider hunting with anything less than 24" for the simple fact that the very short barrels swing way too fast and do not balance well.
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j_06 said:
My bad. Op, your are apparently posting this in the wrong subsection of this forum. Anything that deviates from a classic sxs design is a useless abomination and will upset the fudds who will in turn go on fuddy rants about how it's less ideal and has no place in the world. Or I could say fudds are gonna fudd. Some people say silly things, some do silly things, like own victorys
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And just when I thought you didn't get it...
 
At the risk of keeping this disaster going. The original post does not mention hunting or clay shooting.

WTH is a fudd ?
 
Fudd is an insult used to describe hunters who throw black gun and hand gun enthusiasts under the bus in the fight against gun regulations.
 
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