What is the shortest but highest end double-barrel shotgun?

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Nobody with any sense is going to order a $60,000+ shotgun when they could get the same thing made in China for $300. See that was another joke, or was it?

I would certainly hope that it is a joke, because a person would have to be pretty naive to believe that the $300 Chinese gun is made with the same materials, to the same standards.Then again the person purchasing a SxS with 12.5" barrels may not notice the difference, and probably doesn't care.
 
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I would certainly hope that it is a joke, because a person would have to be pretty naive that the $300 Chinese gun is made with the same materials, to the same standards.Then again the person purchasing a SxS with 12.5" barrels may not notice the difference, and probably doesn't care.

Yes, it was a joke.
I don't own any Chinese guns.
 
Yes, it was a joke.
I don't own any Chinese guns.

The unfortunate part is that many people that own the Chinese and low end Turkish guns actually believe that these low end guns are just as good as the higher end guns. They actually believe that the only difference is cosmetic, and some brag about having fired 250 or 500 or 1000 rounds out of their low end gun, not realizing that the service life of a higher end shotgun can be in excess of 100,000 rounds.
 
The unfortunate part is that many people that own the Chinese and low end Turkish guns actually believe that these low end guns are just as good as the higher end guns. They actually believe that the only difference is cosmetic, and some brag about having fired 250 or 500 or 1000 rounds out of their low end gun, not realizing that the service life of a higher end shotgun can be in excess of 100,000 rounds.

I wouldn't say most people think they are better or as high of quality when compared side by side. It's all about the intended use. For myself i am mostly hunting, crashing through thick brush, getting things scratched, muddy, worn. I don't hunt with dogs, and partridge in my area are very spooky and being in the middle of said thick stuff you tend to not get much for wing shots available. Typically you see them before they fly, or try to see where they land, and rabbits are usually stationary as well.

For this intended purpose a short, inexpensive turkish gun will work just as well, if not better than an expensive, long barreled, very nicely detailed, made with superior materials and machines, high end gun that i have to constantly wave in and around alders.

No one expects a cheap turkish gun to last 300,000 rounds without any hiccups, but most people who buy them will never put that many rounds through all of their guns in a lifetime.

The OP never stated his intended use, or which brand is superior, or what anyone considers high end. He asked, simply "Looking for a break action side-by-side 12GA with short barrels (around 12.5" or so long) and preferably with a single trigger. Does such a thing exist?" and from the title was asking "What is the shortest but highest end double-barrel shotgun?"
To me, this means, of the available options, which one is highest end. It doesn't matter if italians make $60,000 over/unders if they aren't what the OP is looking for. If all there is available is a choice between chinese and turkish, for this type of gun, they are the highest end.

So before everyone got into name calling, mud slinging and getting all worked up that people don't have the opinions that you do, how about all you guys who are experts answer the original question? If you don't know of any guns that fit the OP's description, move on. If you don't like someone else's suggestion as they try to help, how does making fun of other people help the OP find what he is looking for? (and i'm not trying single you out or make any implications specifically stubble, your post was just the last one of a long list i don't care to read again that i could quickly quote to make my point.
 
Brybenn sounds like you belong to a great club! A bit of an example of how we all should think.

I don't know how this thread went so badly off the rails except to say I believe some posters were doing what they were accusing others of doing.....making judgements about other gun owners based solely on the kind of gun they choose to own and shoot.

I own and shoot the guns I like. Period. I give up other things to be able to afford the guns I own. Don't think others should do the same. I think they should do what they like and I think we should all stand shoulder to shoulder to protect our current legal abilities and do the same to fight for greater freedom.

But I take significant offence to people slagging me based on incorrect assumptions about who I am and what I think. And that's what happened here.

Brybenn, when I get home tonight I'll pour an Ardbeg and toast your sensible post.

I'm also going to toast galamb for post 49, another eminently sensible post.
 
To me a gun is no more than a tool I use to do the job. Ask me if I bring my 4 000$ gun to use it as a paddle when hunting. I have a Turkish one to do the exact job and to put meat on the table. And it does it great. People #####ing on the Turkish / Russian shotguns don't know a thing about them.
 
I'll drink to that canvasback. Hopefully someday we can meet up at one of those sxs shoots. I'll pour a glass of ardbeg as well. Wife says it smells like a sharpie marker. Crazy woman lol

I have a baikal ij58 that has over 50 000 rounds thru it from me. It was used when I got it but barely. The for end is just now getting some play. I think the lug that it snaps on has worn. It's razor sharp now.
 
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