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Has anyone been shooting a walther Q5 match?
I have read its very similar to a ppq 5"
Is it worth the price tag?
Also what other guns would be competitive with it?
May shoot ipsc production with it if I buy one (already have a shadow though)
 
I'm interested in these too. I had one of the M2 5" guns for a while. Very nice trigger and ergos, but no-one had sights or mags at the time so I sold it. From what I've read, the differences are: optics ready, LPA adjustable rear and FO front sights, blue anti-friction coating on the trigger parts, and a third magazine. The slide is lighter so they use the standard PPQ recoil spring instead of the lighter one found in the standard 5" PPQ. The price difference from the M2 5" is about $150, well worth it for nice sights and a spare $70 mag in my opinion. It's not approved for IPSC production yet, but I don't think there's any reason it wouldn't be after the next model review.
Other similar/competitive mainstream pistols that would be IPSC production legal, I can only really think of a 5" M&P Pro. I guess it depends whether you want to make the jump to striker guns. With your Shadow you get the benefit of a ton of factory parts to change and stay IPSC PD legal. Most pistols all you can change is sights and grip tape, so the mildest ammo you can run still has to reliably cycle the stock recoil spring....
 
Following. I have the PPQ 5" .22lr and I think this might be my first 9mm handgun. Not looking to start a pistol collection and I think the Q5 match offers me the best flexibility if I want to get into IPSC. Not to mention it is dead ###y.
 
john92awd said:
Thanks! How do you compare the trigger on the ppq 5" to another striker fired pistol? Like a G17 for example
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This is probably overkill in answer to your question, but here goes...I’m primarily a Glock shooter, and by comparison the trigger on the PPQ I owned felt smooth and clean (for a striker gun) and very positive in it’s action. Kinda tough to describe…I have read several comments that PPQ triggers feel lighter than the actual poundage and I’d agree with that. The reset was incredibly short. Having said that, aside from slowly and deliberately allowing it to reset for demo purposes I don’t know that makes much difference at least for me. I have never “outrun” or “short stroked” any other pistol under recoil even double tapping as fast as I can. A big difference for me was that I didn’t have a tendency to steer the gun off course with the trigger. Whatever it is with the trigger path or mechanics on Glocks, being slightly lazy or slappy/sloppy with the trigger puts shots low and left, and the PPQ just didn’t do that. Other than that, the slide release is huge, which I really liked; some find it too easy to ride it and have the slide not lock back on an empty mag. Also the mag release is large and easy to activate without breaking your grip. The backstraps are different in size AND shape from each other, so changing them makes the grip not only bigger or smaller but pretty different in feel. For me the medium was perfect, the small was ok, and the large felt awful. The 5” PPQ flipped a little bit more than my G34, but seemed to settle quickly back on target so I didn’t find it a big negative. Overall I really liked the PPQ, but the unavailability of aftermarket sights and mags at the time I owned it was a dealbreaker so off it went. With the nice sights on the Q5 and the fact that there are mags around now, I'm thinking hard about picking on up when the next batch lands. If you want to run a striker gun box-stock and if the Q5 is a good fit for you, it would be tough to top. The HK VP9/SFP9 is a very nice pistol too with an excellent trigger, but there is no long slide version, so you give up the benefit of the longer sight radius on the 5” guns.

On the dark side (DA/SA), the forthcoming Shadow 2 looks awfully nice too. Given that the CZ75/SP-01 series enjoy the freedom to change out all kinds of parts and weigh a ton, they really are THE gun for IPSC production if you’re very competitive and the type to want to customize things. I'm far from a top tier guy where the gun is "what's holding me back", but it's nice to know you have the best tool for the job at hand..
 
I think you helped me decide, everything I hear about these sounds good.
If the only thing it really compares to is the m&p (and I'm not a fan) then I think I may go for it.

As far as ipsc goes, I'm just getting started and will just use my shadow. I'll probably get a shadow 2 later on if I feel necessary
I just keep hearing about how good the ppq line is and I have gotta try one
 
I have put 300 rounds through mine with iron sights. It is an absolute dream to shoot and I highly recommend it. In the process of choosing a red dot, probably Trijicon RMR, to help my ageing eyes out!UOTE=john92awd;12763354]Has anyone been shooting a walther Q5 match?
I have read its very similar to a ppq 5"
Is it worth the price tag?
Also what other guns would be competitive with it?
May shoot ipsc production with it if I buy one (already have a shadow though)[/QUOTE]
 
I always find the PPQ and Walthers in general to handle recoil very poorly, I have not shot this pistol but I can guess is going to be even worse considering the long slide.
I think there are better options for IPSC out there than this, but good for Walther for tossing the idea and the option to those who like the brand and the ppq platform.
 
Holster wise I went with SolelyCanadian, excellent service and product.

I have both the regular 5" M2 and the Q5 match. The FO site on the Q5 is great. I was disappointed that the rear LPA sight is not mounted using the same "dovetail" as the regular M2, I was planning on moving it to my regular M2 but now it will most likely just go into the parts bin when I get a red dot. I haven't noticed a difference in the triggers but that may be due to the regular M2 being broken in more.

Cheers
Chris
 
Avenida said:
I always find the PPQ and Walthers in general to handle recoil very poorly, I have not shot this pistol but I can guess is going to be even worse considering the long slide.
I think there are better options for IPSC out there than this, but good for Walther for tossing the idea and the option to those who like the brand and the ppq platform.
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You think the muzzle flip is worse than other striker fired pistols? Think it has a higher bore axis?
 
I have heard great things about Solely Canadian product and service, but don't yet own any myself. I had a Bladetech OWB holster for my PPQ and it worked very well. The muzzle flip was SLIGHTLY more pronounced than my G34 with the same ammo. I personally wouldn't quantify the recoil management as "very poor", but that's my opinion. The long slide in theory works FOR the shooter initially as there is mass farther forward, with the tradeoff being there may be SLIGHTLY more muzzle dip when the gun returns to battery. Yes, the bore axis is a bit higher than some popular pistols, but I think way too much gets made of that. If the gun fits you well, and you have a fundamentally sound grip, the pistol should reliably return to the pre-recoil position, ie: back on target. All of this is kinda splitting hairs IMO...if you compare a long slide 9mm with minimum power factor loads to say a Glock 19 with +P duty ammo, the difference would be significant. A Walther PPQ 5" to a G34 to a M&P pro 5" to a XDM 5.25", they're all going to be awfully close to one another in terms of recoil, but this is a 9mm not a hard recoiling round. A bit more or less muzzle flip is of little consequence until you reach a high level in your chosen sport and are worried about 10th's and 100th's of a second. Fit and feel in the hand is another thing altogether, as is simply liking what you're buying. The discussion is all good and what we're all here for, and definitely do your homework before laying out the cash, but don't drive yourself insane with internet overload! (Been there...) Remember these are all opinions which may help you decide, but the only important one is yours...
 
muzzle flip in the ppq is one of the worst, I have own and shot every striker fired pistol there is, PPQ is a nice gun, good quality, good materials, grip can be improved (slippery), accurate, good trigger.
Bore axis is the typical walther axis, it is ok, similar to HK P30.

For some reason, the recoil I felt in the walther was horrible, I felt anxious after I shot it. It felt menacing, horrifying and very very loud. LOL Kidding.

Seriously, It is my opinion and maybe the 5 inch is a lot better for me, I should try before getting into these debates I guess.

The other only thing that can get in your way (depending on how you shoot) is the big slide release levers. I shoot thumbs forward so it was an automatic no no to me. I tried to adjust my shooting for different guns that I really liked (HK P30 is another gun with huge slide release) and it never worked out for me.

Try them, 500-1000 rounds and you will know what works for you.

Cheers



john92awd said:
You think the muzzle flip is worse than other striker fired pistols? Think it has a higher bore axis?
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I own 2 PPQs both SD in .22 and 9mm and the felt recoil is the worst of all my other firearms of the same calibres.
They are fantastic service weapons but for timed competition I would definitely look elsewhere. I love both of my PPQs but I don't think they fit the competition market. Maybe the Q5 is better but you really should try one 1st.
Also the trigger on the 9mm bites my finger and hurts if I shoot more then 100 rounds in one session.
 
I will be using the shadow for competition. Just looking for a great striker fired pistol. Thaught maybe it could be dual purpose but if not, no big deal.
 
PPQ M2/Q5 match owners, does anyone know where to get extra mags?
All the vendors I've looked at only sell the PPQ M1 magazines and from what I was reading it didn't seem like M1 mags were compatible with M2s and Q5 matches.
 
dog_dy said:
PPQ M2/Q5 match owners, does anyone know where to get extra mags?
All the vendors I've looked at only sell the PPQ M1 magazines and from what I was reading it didn't seem like M1 mags were compatible with M2s and Q5 matches.
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You are correct the M1 and M2 mags are different. Last time a vendor had some posted, I bought 3 extras they are not cheap. They vanished within a day. I think you will either have to special order them and wait or keep an eye open and jump on it when someone post they have in stock.
 
john92awd said:
I will be using the shadow for competition. Just looking for a great striker fired pistol. Thaught maybe it could be dual purpose but if not, no big deal.
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Most folks will chirp in with Glock...and that's hard to argue...but I'm loving the sig p320 ...dead nuts accurate and a pleasure to shoot...also the canik tp9sa....really a very well made pistol..and the trigger is better than all my other strikers...go figure.
 
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