Competition O/U

Caboose said:
I plan on shooting weekly, plus I have my own Trap here at the farm... Which ever I deside on, it'll be shot a bunch. I've always been a Beretta guy, just two presently in my stable. The 692 guns feel great, look great...and certainly more budget friendly. But what about the extractor / ejector selector problem? Has Beretta fixed the issue? Seems like a design flaw to me.
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Caboose:

Two buddies have been shooting their 692's for a couple of seasons now ... likely 7500+ rounds through each considering how much they shoot.
No mechanical problems of any sort. Where did you hear about the extractor/ejector selector problems ?
 
beretta boy said:
Caboose:

Two buddies have been shooting their 692's for a couple of seasons now ... likely 7500+ rounds through each considering how much they shoot.
No mechanical problems of any sort. Where did you hear about the extractor/ejector selector problems ?
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During my research, a quick google reviled issues with the selector. Apparently the rubber O rings fail around the 5K to 7K mark. If not replaced, eventually the metal tab of the selector snaps off. Most recent post I can find about this is a year old... Perhaps it was just a bad batch of selectors???
 
Maritime Storm said:
Just curious, you say you're happy with your Silver Pigeon, was their a reason the 690 Competition & 692 Sporting weren't on your radar?
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Only reason would be selector. I don't want to spend $5k on a gun and then worry when my ejectors are gonna fail. In extracton mode, it barely lifts the shells out of the chamber?!? Seems to me Beretta was trying to fix a problem that doesn't really exist. Don't want your empty hulls ejected behind you...? Just catch them in your hand and toss them in a bucket.
 
First and foremost is fit. Don't bother considering gun manufactures unless you know they can fit you, or you are willing to modify them to make them fit you.

Second is feel. People have preferences. A 725 will feel way, way different than a beretta, etc.

Third, I think, would be personal preferences. Ie, look, wood, options, etc.

If you can't shoulder the gun (preferably shoot it), don't buy it. Watching the EE and having buyers local who will take you out to try would be ideal. I'm sure guys selling DT10's and 11's who want to sell their guns would have no problem letting you shoulder and shoot them. Good gun stores will too.
 
Caboose:

I wasn't aware of an ejector/extractor problem with the 692, so did a Google search similar to what you did. Yes indeed, a few complained about those problems and I'm sure Beretta / Beretta USA / Coles and others have taken notice. I noticed for a time that DT-10's were taking a "hit" too, especially "early models" (mine is first year production) with trigger and gun-opening-on-shooting problems. I can honestly say I've had no such problems ... or any other kind for that matter. But as you & I well-know .... s**t happens.

Just for a lark, I googled Beretta ASE 90, DT-10, DT-11, 682 and 692 problems ... loads of entries ... as there were for Browning 325, 425, 525, 625 and 725, Blaser F3,
Kolar, Kreighoff, Perazzi, Caesar Guerini, Zoli & Rizzini. All guns seem to have problems, even the "high buck target guns". I know of problems a couple of buddies had with their bespoke Purdeys and Holland & Hollands !!! Some of the problems reported on the internet forums I'm sure are quite real ... and some are caused by abuse, "bubba" getting into that which he is famous for ... and even outright BS. One guy complained that his DT-10 opened on firing and his gunsmith replaced the faulty top bolt with a the "massive SO-5 top bolt" curing the problem. Funny.... the SO-5 top bolt is exactly the same as the DT-10 top bolt !

I have owned a 325, two 425's, two 682 Gold's and the DT-10 already mentioned. All were shot a lot(couldn't even estimate the number of shells through each) and have only had one problem, a small broken spring within the action of one of the Brownings ... that cost me all of $ 8.00 to replace ... while I waited at the gunsmiths's !

The availability of parts would give me some concern ... none of which I have over Browning, Beretta, Perazzi & Kreighoff. Some other makes may be a little harder to get parts for. Any of the makers I have listed above are pretty good about standing behind their product however.

Both Chevys and Ferraris have problems ... you pays your money and you takes your chances. I'm rather sure the 692 problems have been solved by now, as no manufacturer can withstand recurring problems, returns and warranty claims. Most gun models have hiccups in the first year or two of production. I wouldn't be too concerned, but buying a good quality gun from a reputable dealer with a good record of "problem solving" will pay dividends.

By all means, let us now what you wind up with. :)
 
I have seen one Beretta 692 with the ejector problem. It was one of several demo guns loaned by Stoeger to a private shooting club in Ontario. I've shot some of these guns and they are not particularly well taken care of.

Apparently the 692 ejector problem is caused by the extractor/ejector selector which has an o-ring that can break. Why Beretta would abandon its proven ejector design for a selectable system is a mystery. It would appear however to be an easy part to replace. If I liked the 692 the risk of an ejector problem would not be a reason to pass on buying one if I liked it. I know of a couple of other 692 shooters who have had no problems with their guns.

Here's the problematic part.

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Here's how to replace it.

 
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A year ago I picked up a Cesar Guerini Ellipse Evo Sporting off the EE that had sat there almost a year. Absolutely gorgeous gun that I bought mainly because I wanted to try a O/U with 32" barrels. Don't necessarily shoot it any better than my Browning 325 Sporting but I do like it. Suggest you give that Guerini a serious look.

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This isn't what you were initially looking at, but if a 725 Browning feels ok, try picking up a Cynergy. Not saying it's better than the Beretta, but it's free to look. Similar handling to the 725, very different look though. Admittedly, they're not for every taste.
I had a 725 Sporting for a couple years, decided to move on. I found the LOP a bit long for me, just couldn't bring myself to cut the stock. Plus, once you do that, the gun is forever changed, can be harder to sell.
 
Caboose said:
I took the plunge and purchased a new Beretta DT11 Trident Sporting with 30" barrels. Stoeger has 3 waiting in the warehouse, I should have it early next week :dancingbanana:
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Thumbs up! I love my DT11.

Feel free to ask if you've got any questions about them. I've had mine for a year and have shot my best scores with it.
 
Claybuster,

as this model is on my short list might I ask your opinion on the sturdiness of the rib. I have heard complaints about other guns with adjustable ribs having parts (screws/adjustment wheels) that loosen or ribs that go out of whack. Any concerns on your gun ?

Input appreciated.
 
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