CZ 958 UPDATE Jan 2016

lazare said:
Will the CZ 958 ever be built?? I have not seen Wolverine supplies confirming 100% its dead, just that it will not be happening soon. I really hope these one day come to fruition. It would solve all the problems with my 858.
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He stated on the page previous, not only has CZ tooled up for other products but availability of parts that would have made this feasible have since dried up. So, while not a "this is never going to happen" it may as well be.

It was a good project but too much BS killed it.
 
thewhargoul said:
he stated on the page previous, not only has cz tooled up for other products but availability of parts that would have made this feasible have since dried up. So, while not a "this is never going to happen" it may as well be.

It was a good project but too much government bs killed it.
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ftfy
 
dead in the womb.

it will probably be cheaper and quicker to get a cz2003 and weld a EGW 20moa rail on top, there instant 958
 
Wiskey1 said:
but at least once the type 81 gets here,the price of those overpriced 858 will sink like a rock,
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Maybe, but not likely. Apples & oranges.
The type 81 is a rifle still in production, Chinese built, lower cost to make.
The CZ 858 is out of production, Czech built, and the current model is a limited/final edition as well, from what we've been told. Unless they re-tool up and start churning them out again, there's no new ones being made.
 
CZ is unlikely to dance to Canadian tunes, the US market in comparison is just too large, like in most market segments.
The only remotely possible way the Canadian market LED will get slightly less dim on the CZ boardroom world map is if there is a sudden craze of the Canadian hunting community flocking en masse to modern semi auto for hunting purposes, not very likely scenario.
 
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84wh1 said:
somehow I dont think the sale of a currently produced norinco rifle will cause a CZ product to drop in price. lol
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Meh, you never know. With the arrival of cheaper, similar products, pricier products have to remain competitive in a market. If those trying to sell a CZ858 notice that the Type 81 is just as good, cheaper, and people enjoy them more/are scooping them up for the "new novelty", then they may have to adjust their price accordingly... but not by much.

Still... the CZ858's sold new for what? like 1200 ish recently at the final sale? People are asking like $1500 for a used stock one. So dumb.
 
Here our new product retail prices are determined by our cost, there are many guns sold in Canada that are cheaper than in the US. There are also many neat products that we could import but we don't as they would be cost prohibitive and would not sell.

Used prices are determined by condition, I expect used guns that are still in production and readily available to sell for 20 to 30% less than new, but supply and demand will kick in here and have an effect, both up and down.

Ultimately a product is worth what somebody will pay for it and what some will sell it for, that is what makes auctions so interesting!
 
El_Monty457 said:
Maybe, but not likely. Apples & oranges.
The type 81 is a rifle still in production, Chinese built, lower cost to make.
The CZ 858 is out of production, Czech built, and the current model is a limited/final edition as well, from what we've been told. Unless they re-tool up and start churning them out again, there's no new ones being made.
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except that these 858 will never be collectable in value,there is way to many in the country,not a week goes by without seeing a few in the exchange,usually asking $1500.00 or so,yet a short while back,some know it all were #####ing about how an 858 will never sell at that price,yet they all sell anyways,even the ones that came in were pretty near $1400.00,the only guys making serious money are the ones who bought them a few years ago at the regular retail of $800.00,i still luck out at shows and get them for $600.00 sometimes,got 4 of them this year,they are a cool gun,and very well made,as for the comments on Chinese quality of their military firearms,seems to me they did pretty well with their SKS's,which sell usually for more than Russian ones these days,i'm not knocking the build quality of 858's,but to think they'll be collectable and a good investment,it will take 150 years for that to happen,
 
Wiskey1 said:
except that these 858 will never be collectable in value,there is way to many in the country,not a week goes by without seeing a few in the exchange,usually asking $1500.00 or so,yet a short while back,some know it all were #####ing about how an 858 will never sell at that price,yet they all sell anyways,even the ones that came in were pretty near $1400.00,the only guys making serious money are the ones who bought them a few years ago at the regular retail of $800.00,i still luck out at shows and get them for $600.00 sometimes,got 4 of them this year,they are a cool gun,and very well made,as for the comments on Chinese quality of their military firearms,seems to me they did pretty well with their SKS's,which sell usually for more than Russian ones these days,i'm not knocking the build quality of 858's,but to think they'll be collectable and a good investment,it will take 150 years for that to happen,
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Even if they aren't collectible as you may define a "collectible", they still continue to appreciate in value as you've outlined. They used to be $600-700 retail and are now $1200 in less than 5 years! How many other guns have done that? Look at the SKS. There are far more SKS in the country. Some are collectibles, but they have all appreciated slightly in value.
 
Mr Wolverine said:
Sad to say CZ have no immediate plans for putting the CZ958 into production. The plant is gearing up to produce 20,000 EVO 3 pistols for the US and we are left whistling. :mad:

Understandably we are not at all pleased with the situation and this came as a complete surprize to me when I was told this at the Shot Show.

We should still be receiving the 400 CZ 858 rifles and this will be the last of them for the foreseeable future.
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So how about some EVO 3 pistols with buttstock and 10 round mags for Canada at the same time?

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mastermind said:
Even if they aren't collectible as you may define a "collectible", they still continue to appreciate in value as you've outlined. They used to be $600-700 retail and are now $1200 in less than 5 years! How many other guns have done that? Look at the SKS. There are far more SKS in the country. Some are collectibles, but they have all appreciated slightly in value.
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except that their value was simply based on the fact that there was nothing else in their category,,now there will be with the Type 81,i said 2 years ago the 858 would go to $1500.00 because no more were coming in and there was nothing to compete directly with it,and many on here said i was crazy and called me names,,well guess what,they did reach that amount,BUT,as soon as the type 81 comes in,those prices will drop,they are simply not rare enough,if you bought one in the last batch at about $1400.00 that's not going to an investement,but most people who bought them,bought them to have fun with them and enjoy them as they should,so the investment point doesn't matter to them,i have great investment guns,but i play with them to,that's what they are made for,
 
If you purchase a modern firearm use and enjoy it. If you want an investment purchase quality antique firearms and keep them in the safe. Purchasing a modern firearm is no different than purchasing a new car, do you expect to sell it after a few years use and make a profit?
 
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