Zastava Stainless Mauser-98
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I do have an Interarms Mark X in .375 H&H, the "Alaskan". It is better finished than the current Zastava production. The action of the bolt is very smooth. It also has a second recoil lug inletted and double screwed into the bottom of the barrel a few inches in front of the receiver. This is bedded into the stock with a synthetic compound, as is the main recoil lug on the receiver (plus the steel cross bolt).
Can you tell me if the current Zastava .375 has the same double recoil lug arrangement as the Mark X?
Can you tell me if the current Zastava .375 has the same double recoil lug arrangement as the Mark X?
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Anyone have experience with the 7x64? I notice that Tradeex still has a couple of stainless Zastavas left...but they are in 7x64 and I have never used it.
Using a slightly odd European caliber, no matter how effective, sort of cuts into the concept of a very reliable, go anywhere, do anything rifle....I'd say that type of rifle calls for a standard caliber that you can pick up anywhere if you have to...
Still...if they really aren't going to be importing any more of them...might be a good idea to pick up another one...or two.
Using a slightly odd European caliber, no matter how effective, sort of cuts into the concept of a very reliable, go anywhere, do anything rifle....I'd say that type of rifle calls for a standard caliber that you can pick up anywhere if you have to...
Still...if they really aren't going to be importing any more of them...might be a good idea to pick up another one...or two.
7x64 is petty much the Euro version of our 280 Rem, cases can be made out of 270/280 brass if needed, same old .284 class projectiles as other 7mm's.
With the invention of cerracote, I find the stainless steel more of a style preference rather then buying it for corrosion protection. Plus the grade of SS used in these class of rifles will still stain fairly easily if neglected.
With the invention of cerracote, I find the stainless steel more of a style preference rather then buying it for corrosion protection. Plus the grade of SS used in these class of rifles will still stain fairly easily if neglected.
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A few questions:
Can you explain the different grades of stainless steel and which one was used in the Zastava? How does it differ from the stainless now used to make much more expensive rifles like the Kimber Montana series, for example?
Also, what do you know about the proprietary Remington coating that Zastava supposedly used on the stainless and now no longer can use...
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cant answer the first question but for the second Baribal and I gave you information on it. this is not supposedly it was the agreement-cooperation between remington and zastava. the deal is over: no more stainless until there is new tooling and knowledge in Serbia. if you want one get one while you found them otherwise you will have only your eyes to cry ...
Originally Posted by Rob View Post A few questions: Can you explain the different grades of stainless steel and which one was used in the Zastava? How does it differ from the stainless now used to make much more expensive rifles like the Kimber Montana series said:
The Stainless steel used for guns / barrels is always of the 410 series (usually around AISI 416) which is of the Martensitic - Ferritic type as this steel can be tempered and hardened, as opposed to Austenitic steel series 300 which usually stays in relativeley soft condition, so it's uselesss for firearms making except some applications. And the Zastava SS barrels were not different, so they were made of SS416 .
Then, since the 410 series is Ferritic type, this means you need to coat it to use it outside, and like with any other firearms brand, the coating is all the secret. So, any SS barrel will actually rust.
Since Zastava did not win to keep the proprietary "patented coating" (Trinyte satin SS or Black) deal under judgement of the International Business Court (ICC), they are now unable to use it - and anyways, the chemicals needed to do it are not avaialable - other than from Remington.
BTW, Zastava standard barrels are cold forged Chrome-Vanadium steeel.
Yes it's a pretty lame excuse I know, but I'm trying to be more sensible as I'm running out of "space" lol.
I have one Zastava M70 which does shoot pretty well, blued half stock version in 7x57, but I'd still give it an overall B- rating just due to the horrible inletting and some pretty rough tooling on some parts of the gun.
The SS ones with that matte finish and eyesore stocks are not high on my "need to have" list even for $6 bills. I'd rather get an old HVA for cheap and go at that with a new barrel, finish, stock etc then refit a new gun to my liking.
Yeah... the platform is the thing.
Being a Ruger fan I couldn't turn down a New in Box M77-RS MKII in 7X64 from a 1999 run that was destined for Europe, but never shipped. The fit and finish is excellent, the bluing deep and rich. As you can see from my post above, I didn't need another 7mm either but couldn't bring myself to turn it down.
It is the bottom rifle in the picture below, imported from a collector friend in Texas;
Thanks. This is useful information. I was also interested in the specifics of the proprietary "patented coating"...so its "Trinyte satin SS" ...I did google that and came up with this:
"....our patented TRINYTE Corrosion Control System. This proprietary process starts with a durable, machined 416 stainless steel barreled action which then undergoes a multi-step coating process, enhancing its corrosion and abrasion resistance to a diamond-like level. A base layer of electroless nickel plating is applied, followed by a satin-finished black PVD (Physical Vapor Deposition) layer. Though micro-thin, this protective barrier provides virtual elimination of corrosion and superior abrasion resistance, comparable to the Rockwell Scale rating for diamonds. All exposed metalwork wears the TriNyte finish � barrel, action, bolt, bolt head and trigger."
Not sure if it directly applies but its close. So they coat the stainless with a secret recipe.
I do know that there is no steel that won't rust given the right opportunity but I think stainless is still the best bet to slow rust down. On a three week hunt last fall my main hunting rifle (Kimber Montana, stainless in a synthetic stock) was exposed to all sorts of weather and abuse...rain, snow and mud, smeared with gritty wet sand, one side covered with blood which froze...and when the hunt was over and the rifle cleaned and oiled and put away, it still looked new. I have enough experience to know that a blue steel rifle in a wood stock would not have fared so well.
Still no reply to my original question about the statement "the grade of SS used in these class of rifles will still stain fairly easily if neglected." It implies that the stainless used in the Zastava, in "these class of rifles", is somehow inferior to the stainless used in an apparently better "class" of guns (Kimber?)....I haven't seen any evidence for this.
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Sigh.... I guess your Google is broken.
So yes, the 416 they use is lower grade then Crucible Steel 416R, on top of that they probably only use 416 for the barrel/receiver/and maybe the bolt, and a lower grade for the guts, trigger guard, etc.
Take it however you want...but standard grade 416 is not the most stain resistant or the most cold friendly SS that can be used.
A Ceracote treated 4140 rifle will withstand far more foul weather abuse then 416 ever will. Just the way it is.
And some more reading....
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Yeah... the platform is the thing.
Being a Ruger fan I couldn't turn down a New in Box M77-RS MKII in 7X64 from a 1999 run that was destined for Europe, but never shipped. The fit and finish is excellent, the bluing deep and rich. As you can see from my post above, I didn't need another 7mm either but couldn't bring myself to turn it down.
It is the bottom rifle in the picture below, imported from a collector friend in Texas;
Greg,
is the barrel for the 7x64 a Delcourt one?
Phil
