Reproduction barrel on an original 1858 Remington frame?

DANCESWITHEMPTIES

DANCESWITHEMPTIES

CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Uber Super GunNutz
Rating - 100%
98   0   0
I know the reproduction barrel has metric cut threads & the original frames did not. I know that in most cases the twist of the reproduction barrel is in the wrong direction.
But is it humanly possible to re thread the new repro barrel or original frame to accommodate the fit? The original barrel on it right now is pretty much a rusted smooth bore Would it be easier/ better to re-sleeve the old barrel? Would a bushed collar work? All stampings, short of the serial number are missing from the original barrel & all finish is gone. Someone polished this thing good... The guts of this old girl needs work to. But I'm pretty sure I can make a donor Euro Arms I have work for that part of it.
Does anyone know where I can get an original barrel in good to excellent condition?..

Thanks in advance for any advice & good jokes at my expense...
 
I have been very curious about the interchangeability of the parts as well. Should I get a Uberti or a Pietta also anyone know what conversion cylinder I should get in .45ACP the Uberti ot the Pietta?

According to Coachgun76 the Pietta barrel screwed right in.

View attachment 77850
 
DANCESWITHEMPTIES said:
I know the reproduction barrel has metric cut threads & the original frames did not. I know that in most cases the twist of the reproduction barrel is in the wrong direction.
But is it humanly possible to re thread the new repro barrel or original frame to accommodate the fit? The original barrel on it right now is pretty much a rusted smooth bore Would it be easier/ better to re-sleeve the old barrel? Would a bushed collar work? All stampings, short of the serial number are missing from the original barrel & all finish is gone. Someone polished this thing good... The guts of this old girl needs work to. But I'm pretty sure I can make a donor Euro Arms I have work for that part of it.
Does anyone know where I can get an original barrel in good to excellent condition?..


Thanks in advance for any advice & good jokes at my expense...
Click to expand...

I have a spare but new/not used condition, Italian made, 6 groove, left hand twist, barrel for a Remington 1858, if you are interested in one PM me.
 
WRENCHGOD said:
Is it a takeoff Uberti or Pietta? Or was it made for the Remington?
Click to expand...

It is a Pietta, new never fitted, (barrel threads are still blued) spare part off this model -



I got it to fit on a Remington 1858 rebuild like the OP but that never happened and I don't own a Rem 1858 anymore and now am only holding onto it as a spare barrel for any potential use on any antique needing a new barrel. It is 8 inches long and comes with front sight and under barrel latch in place.

It looks exactly like this one (minus the pitting) that sold on a gun auction site -



You used to be able to get them into Canada from these guys for anybody interested in parts, but I don't think they sell them up here anymore unless through dealers, also their prices are in US dollars -

http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/acce...858-remington-brass-steel-target-buffalo.html
 
Last edited:
The most important question:
Can a modern 45 ACP cylinder mated to an antique 1858, be loaded with BP and resulting in anything but the weak sister equivalent of the black powder 450 Adams??

And I am pretty sure I have seen 1858 frames destroyed with full cylinder loads of 777 on the internet.
 
Brutus said:
The most important question:
Can a modern 45 ACP cylinder mated to an antique 1858, be loaded with BP and resulting in anything but the weak sister equivalent of the black powder 450 Adams??

And I am pretty sure I have seen 1858 frames destroyed with full cylinder loads of 777 on the internet.
Click to expand...

Could work...Taylor makes conversion cylinders for the 1858 in .45colt and the revolver seems to eat the 750 fps 250gr lead just fine. ( on a second thought, those I believe are 5 shot cylinders,which makes them a bit stronger)

CG
 
I would buy the .45LC cylinder but that would make it restricted. They make a .45ACP cylinder as well and from what I read I could hand load a 230 lead RN to the 850 range. I plan to shoot it as a C&B I just thought it would be nice to have the cylinder for the odd time when unloading would be a pain.
 
Had a good condition New Jersey issued Rem 1858 that I re-fitted with a new barrel after i made a mistake and bulged the original barrel. It came from a reliable US supplier that said the replacement would fit originals-short story, it did not. Threads were metric. Found a good CGN member in Watson Lake who rethreaded it for me and it did fit and is now being shot regularly be it's new owner.
 
wr.sainsbury said:
Had a good condition New Jersey issued Rem 1858 that I re-fitted with a new barrel after i made a mistake and bulged the original barrel. It came from a reliable US supplier that said the replacement would fit originals-short story, it did not. Threads were metric. Found a good CGN member in Watson Lake who rethreaded it for me and it did fit and is now being shot regularly be it's new owner.
Click to expand...

If you don't mind me asking, how did you bulge the barrel? I keep seeing this come up with BP revolvers but no one says how they did it.
 
WRENCHGOD said:
.....Do you have any thoughts on the interchangeability of the rest of the parts. .....
Click to expand...

When I had to buy a new cylinder bolt to fit to an old Armi San Marcos Colt replica the local smith I buy many of my parts from insisted that I bring along the old one as a pattern. He had a box of parts to fit Colt clones with at least a half dozen different bolts All intended for Colt style cap&ball guns. Each suited to the guns of some period of manufacture by the Italians. None were out by a whole lot and as a result it took some careful inspection and some measuring to find a good match. But on the one I got out of the half dozen slightly varying sizes would work.

Even then, any part for one of these style guns needs a lot of hand fitting. It's the nature of these style actions that the parts form a chain like configuration where one adjustment affects all the others downstream of that one part. And the final lockup relies on all of them being a matchup to the others. When I ended up fitting the new cylinder bolt to the gun it took a lot of trial and error to sneak up on the final fit.

So if the action parts from a new reproduction drop in and work well in your old frame I'm thinking that you just used up all your Lotto ticket luck on the gun.....
 
BCRider said:
When I had to buy a new cylinder bolt to fit to an old Armi San Marcos Colt replica the local smith I buy many of my parts from insisted that I bring along the old one as a pattern. He had a box of parts to fit Colt clones with at least a half dozen different bolts All intended for Colt style cap&ball guns. Each suited to the guns of some period of manufacture by the Italians. None were out by a whole lot and as a result it took some careful inspection and some measuring to find a good match. But on the one I got out of the half dozen slightly varying sizes would work.

Even then, any part for one of these style guns needs a lot of hand fitting. It's the nature of these style actions that the parts form a chain like configuration where one adjustment affects all the others downstream of that one part. And the final lockup relies on all of them being a matchup to the others. When I ended up fitting the new cylinder bolt to the gun it took a lot of trial and error to sneak up on the final fit.

So if the action parts from a new reproduction drop in and work well in your old frame I'm thinking that you just used up all your Lotto ticket luck on the gun.....
Click to expand...

That's good to know, I fully expect fitting as with all revolvers. I have done lots of work on revolvers in my past life. I was more asking if they were completely different designs made to look like the Remys or if they were copy's that were just really out of spec if you know what I mean.
 
WRENCHGOD said:
I would buy the .45LC cylinder but that would make it restricted. They make a .45ACP cylinder as well and from what I read I could hand load a 230 lead RN to the 850 range. I plan to shoot it as a C&B I just thought it would be nice to have the cylinder for the odd time when unloading would be a pain.
Click to expand...

230 grs at 850fps? that is a regular 45 acp load...
The only objection I would have is: You need a .450 or .451 bullet in a Pietta barrel, their .44 is usually .448 to 450...sure you load the cap n ball with .454, but while doing so it shears a lead ring of the bullet and sizes it down to .450...a cartridge cylinder does not have that feature.
...or get a .452 barrel and just shoot the Acp.

CG
 
WRENCHGOD said:
If you don't mind me asking, how did you bulge the barrel? I keep seeing this come up with BP revolvers but no one says how they did it.
Click to expand...

Dud load. A barrel bulges or splits when a previous ball didn't leave the muzzle and the second ball hits it, causing both to expand. ( if a shot sounded different than normal, cease fire right there and check your barrel for obstructions before firing the next!)

CG
 
WRENCHGOD said:
That's good to know, I fully expect fitting as with all revolvers. I have done lots of work on revolvers in my past life. I was more asking if they were completely different designs made to look like the Remys or if they were copy's that were just really out of spec if you know what I mean.
Click to expand...

The copys I have fit the original design pretty good... cyl. hands are the same, stop is a little longer but has the same with,cylinder pins are all metric and a tad more than the original, the original frame needs to be reamed. All Springs are interchangeable and so are trigger and hammer. Only Pietta has the same barrel thread as the original, Uberti and Euroarms ( Lyman,Army san Palo, Army san marco) do not.Loading levers fit w/o modifications. Cylinders fit if used together with their pins, usually tight, so the original or aftermarked barrel in the original frame needs some stoning at the entrance to maintain proper cylinder gap.Also,depending on what parts are changed, the timing will be off to "too short" which is easy to fix. Grips fit with modifications, they are slightly bigger than the original. And NONE of the repro revolvers screws or nipples fit the original as they are all metric.

CG

I'm speaking of the 1858 here...the colts are a different story ( got both too...1860 Army and repros )
 
Last edited:
Apparently my fingers are not listening to me today.

I posted above;
But on the one I got out of the half dozen slightly varying sizes would work.
Click to expand...

But I intended to say "But on the one I got out of the half dozen slightly varying sizes it was the only one that would work".

Sorry 'bout that.

The point is that what comes out of the one gun may or may not fit at all in the other. Never mind just being slightly out of spec. The odds of even physically fitting into place are only about 1:5. Then comes fitting for timing the action. Out of that box of hands the smith had there were some that were wildly different to each other. I'm sure some of that was a Colt vs Remington thing and there were some variations from '51's to '60's and the like but even within just the 1860 bolts there were enough differences that only the one out of the 5 or 6 options would fit.

This is clearly counter to Coachgun's findings. But I helped compare and measure my bolt to the other half dozen 1860 bolts the smith had and saw the differences first hand.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom