Your opinion on ammos

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VinnyQC

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Which would you buy, and why:
American Eagle 22LR 40gr Lead RN; or
CCI Blazer 22LR. 40gr Lead RN ?

Almost the same price (34$/500 for AE, 35$/500 for Blazer). Both work fine in all my guns. I'm leaning toward the AE, but was wondering about other people's opinion. Mostly for plinking fun, not competition or anything serious.

And if anyone knows where I can get a better deal, feel free to chime in too.
 
In my experience, the Blazer are of higher quality if you're able to buy a batch of the CCI manufactured stuff. If you're going to plink and have options, you might as well pick the more accurate one. Both are high velocity LRN.
 
For those prices why not get both and see what you like better after a 500 shots of each. Just for plinking fun I wouldn't hesitate to buy either brand.
 
You will generally find subsonic velocity ammo shoots better than HV ammo. Blazers were not accurate for me, and CCI Standard Velocity was significantly better. Have not tried American Eagle, but the Federal bulk box was very poor, so I suspect AE is poor too.
 
thenerdboy said:
In my experience, the Blazer are of higher quality if you're able to buy a batch of the CCI manufactured stuff. If you're going to plink and have options, you might as well pick the more accurate one. Both are high velocity LRN.
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How can you tell whether or not it's been manufactured by CCI?
 
The CCI'S have a thin clear plastic tray, the others have the same white tray as the Federals. CCI leads are darker. Google images shows the difference. Have only shot the CCI'S in my 10/22s and are very accurate
 
VinnyQC said:
Almost the same price (34$/500 for AE, 35$/500 for Blazer). Both work fine in all my guns. I'm leaning toward the AE, but was wondering about other people's opinion. Mostly for plinking fun, not competition or anything serious.
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It's hard to imagine any 22LR ammo that's available for less. Since it's for fun and nothing serious, buy some of both and shoot. If you want to get a little bit serious, you could determine which brand, if either, shoots better in your rifle.

On the other hand, in a recent thread some posters insisted that in a number of rifles over extensive testing AE 40 grain lead round nose was shown to be as good or better than any SV ammo other than Midas Plus, Tenex, and Mexican-made, Eley-primed Aguila SV -- see post #15 https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...Toz-T03-12?p=13281403&viewfull=1#post13281403
 
Thanks everyone.

Ammos are for handguns. One browning buckmark that is quite damn accurate, and a GSG 1911 that's pretty much just a toy I use when I bring non-shooters to the range so they can try a small calibre handgun that's not as heavy as the browning.

Neither budget nor availability are a problem, I can get more than a whole year of shooting (I think the inventory for AE was like 150 bricks and 50 or so for blazer, more than I will use within the next 12 months).

I have shot both ammos, and I did come to certain conclusion, but never anything scientific. Mostly, I feel like the AE are more consistent, but that's purely based on felt recoil (which isn't much on a 22lr, even a handgun) and the sound it makes. The CCI seemed to have a bit more recoil, but a lot more variation, like the powder charge varied a lot more, even from round to round of the same box. They were the CCI manufactured, with dark, almost black bullets, and the plastic tray.

At the end of the day, both work just fine in my guns, and for my purpose, functionnality (no stovepipe, no double-feed, no FTF, no FTE,...) is more important to me than extreme accuracy at long range, so I'd be fine with either. But I still wanted to know the opinions of people who have probably been shooting a lot more than I for a lot longer than I.

Thanks to everyone who chimed in.
 
For non-target/competitive handgun shooting at typical handgun distances I think one would be hard pressed to notice any accuracy difference whether Remington Golden Bullets or RWS R50 were used. As such any ammo at a good price the reliably fires and cycles the action is suitable. For the price difference between the AE and CCI maybe you just need to decide based on which one you think "smells" better ;) I'm partial to the smell of SK in the morning...

grauhanen said:
The accuracy claims for AE 40 grain round nose high velocity ammo are unanticipated. How did the accuracy of the AE change from 50 yards to 100?

And on a different but related note, GJ says AE standard deviation was "less than 19 fps", while the top shelf ammo SD was 7-9 fps. The SD for AE wouldn't seem to auger well for long distance accuracy compared ammo with a more consistent MV. What standard deviation can be considered very good for rimfire ammo? What SD is the minimum for accuracy at 50 or 100 yards?
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Found a good read about SD: http://precisionrifleblog.com/2015/04/18/how-much-does-sd-matter/

“Regarding available ammunition types, a Standard Deviation (SD) of 20 fps is considered relatively poor consistency, and is generally representative of mass produced factory ammo. 15 fps is considered better than average for factory produced ammunition, but still substandard for those who handload their own ammunition. 10 fps or less SD is typically the goal of most handloaders, and very few commercially available ammo suppliers are capable of producing ammo with SD’s under 10 fps.”

For rimfire, 100 yards is a long way and wind is a significant factor, much more of a worry than the velocity variation of the ammo. Ya gotta master the wind before tight velocity spreads will benefit you. At 50 yards it is entirely plausible for ammo with an SD less than 20 to shoot the groups claimed in the other thread. It is surprising to hear cheap AE met those numbers as they are comparable to SK High Velocity and RWS Rifle Match "S" at more than double the cost. Assuming it wasn't a one off good lot of AE, and they do produce it to this quality level consistently I just may have to try a brick of it myself.

To maintain groups at 50 yards under 1/2" due to vertical from velocity variation alone the Extreme Spread must be less than 70 fps (apprx 35 SD). The other question is will the harmonics of the barrel tolerate that much velocity variation without going out of "tune" and causing fliers? Very few experiments have been done at this level as it becomes highly technical and theoretical. From my own testing with SK High Velocity I've shot 50 yard groups nearly as good as the claimed AE groups but out of a rifle that hasn't been proving itself to very accurate or consistent. SD 21.69 fps ES 87 fps.



 
These are my favorites, Too bad im on my last can.

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