M1 carbine guys,please give me help with this rifle.
- Thread starter MJS
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Well I picked up the rifle for what I thought was good deal
It's a non restricted Winchester,bore is nice,action is super smooth.it was COVERED in dust and a heavy layer of grease,though there is some rust and pitting on some of parts(pitting isint too bad)sonibe cleaned it up and covered it up with G96 to stop anything further.
Now the real bad...the section that holds the piston and piston nut is cracked.anyone know who,or IF this can be repaired?
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It's a non restricted Winchester,bore is nice,action is super smooth.it was COVERED in dust and a heavy layer of grease,though there is some rust and pitting on some of parts(pitting isint too bad)sonibe cleaned it up and covered it up with G96 to stop anything further.
Now the real bad...the section that holds the piston and piston nut is cracked.anyone know who,or IF this can be repaired?
Well it needs a new barrel now, and you should probably measure the one on it as it likely is restricted.
New NR barrels can be found here https://www.tradeexcanada.com/content/new-m1-carbine-barrel-non-restricted-lenght
But you should try and get your money back since you got hosed.
New NR barrels can be found here https://www.tradeexcanada.com/content/new-m1-carbine-barrel-non-restricted-lenght
But you should try and get your money back since you got hosed.
I paid 200 ,so I do t feel I got ripped too hard..and it is non restricted.
I've been reading some of the US sites that have tig welded the cracks before,I may try that option first(I am a welder after all)and if it that solves it,great,if not looks like I'm rebarreling .
I've been reading some of the US sites that have tig welded the cracks before,I may try that option first(I am a welder after all)and if it that solves it,great,if not looks like I'm rebarreling .
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1)I didn't say it was a smoking deal,but even at 600 bucks all included with a new barrel,I'm still way cheaper then a new rifle.
2)I guess it does have an aftermarket barrel,because even at its shortest point(end of the receiver to the end of the barrel it's 19.5")
3)why so negative man?im just asking for any suggestions on how to fix what I have,it's not like you paid 200 for it.im fine with it.the seller sold it to me saying he had no idea if it worked or not,I knew what I was getting into by buying it sight unseen as is.
well you will need a piston nut wrench its the ONLY tool that will remove it without wrecking the nut!! DO NOT try anything else......
barrels are easy to find non restricted the orig barrels not so much PM me if you want contact info for someone who re-barrels these
barrels are easy to find non restricted the orig barrels not so much PM me if you want contact info for someone who re-barrels these
Very nice find MJS at that price. Just wondering what would have caused the piston housing to fail like that??
If you try to weld up that piston housing, you need to be aware that the tolerances between the piston OD and the ID of the housing are very close. If there is too much slop, you will get some blow-by during firing which can result in a failure to cycle. If the piston is too tight, same thing.
If you are a welder, give it a try with TIG. Not sure what alloys were used for commercial barrels,could be Cr-Mo. Would not hurt to pre-heat to 400F, (maybe 4130 filler rod?). Thread is 1/2-32 and will need to be chased after welding. Gas hole will need to drilled out ,can use a new sharp 3/32" drill bit, and is at a 50 degree angle from horizontal.
If you try to weld up that piston housing, you need to be aware that the tolerances between the piston OD and the ID of the housing are very close. If there is too much slop, you will get some blow-by during firing which can result in a failure to cycle. If the piston is too tight, same thing.
If you are a welder, give it a try with TIG. Not sure what alloys were used for commercial barrels,could be Cr-Mo. Would not hurt to pre-heat to 400F, (maybe 4130 filler rod?). Thread is 1/2-32 and will need to be chased after welding. Gas hole will need to drilled out ,can use a new sharp 3/32" drill bit, and is at a 50 degree angle from horizontal.
Thanks for suggestions,as for the metalurgic composition,I can't vouch,but yes I would agree to preheating.
I'm a pretty competent tig welder,but my friend Mark is a spectacular welder,so he and I are going to give it a try when we are done this work rotation,talked to my smith about it and he does have a tap to match that thread so that's covered.
If that fails,a very generous member here has a gas block I can try out.some were brazed on,and it would appear mine would be one of those,and if not,we'll mill this old one off and TIG the new one on and mill the welds to match the original profile.
I have a thing for old rifles with history,and this one certainly has that.
Without getting too personal,the story I was told was it was a war bring back to the US,that was then brought to Canada when the sellers father married a woman from Newfoundland that he had met while stationed here in the 50's.
Somewhere along the way it must have been re-barreled,can't get any info on that.
To me rifles like this deserve to be saved if they can,and I'll take this on as a full restoration,new wood,reparked,and given a new home and a new lease on life.
I'm a pretty competent tig welder,but my friend Mark is a spectacular welder,so he and I are going to give it a try when we are done this work rotation,talked to my smith about it and he does have a tap to match that thread so that's covered.
If that fails,a very generous member here has a gas block I can try out.some were brazed on,and it would appear mine would be one of those,and if not,we'll mill this old one off and TIG the new one on and mill the welds to match the original profile.
I have a thing for old rifles with history,and this one certainly has that.
Without getting too personal,the story I was told was it was a war bring back to the US,that was then brought to Canada when the sellers father married a woman from Newfoundland that he had met while stationed here in the 50's.
Somewhere along the way it must have been re-barreled,can't get any info on that.
To me rifles like this deserve to be saved if they can,and I'll take this on as a full restoration,new wood,reparked,and given a new home and a new lease on life.
Exactly.no good rifle should ever be abandoned or destroyed just because it's not perfect.
Far to many people are willing to just throw stuff away and get new,sad mentality really.
Just figured I'd update this for anyone interested,I managed to get Ted Syme(awesome guy to deal with,and SUPER knowledgeable about all things M1) to rebarrel the rifle and reblue the bolt and replace a few little odds and ends I was missing,took it shooting,and what a dream to shoot!
All said,I'm less then 600 into this rifle,I've learned a lot about it from the bits of research I've done,and from what Ted told me,and couldent be happier with this little gem.
Going to order a nice new stock(going to keep the original as well) and do her up as a nice retro shooter,hopefully I can land a M1 and m14 soon to go alongside her!
All said,I'm less then 600 into this rifle,I've learned a lot about it from the bits of research I've done,and from what Ted told me,and couldent be happier with this little gem.
Going to order a nice new stock(going to keep the original as well) and do her up as a nice retro shooter,hopefully I can land a M1 and m14 soon to go alongside her!
Just love the feel of the M1 carbine.But don't like the old rotten/cracked wood that always seems to be attached to them when I buy one
That is except for the Auto Ordnance one ) I replace my barrels for non restricted use (Don't worry purists mine are mix masters and parts taken off are saved) and replace the stocks with nice black plastic Chiappa M1-22 stocks and metal handguards. Love the feel.
That is except for the Auto Ordnance one ) I replace my barrels for non restricted use (Don't worry purists mine are mix masters and parts taken off are saved) and replace the stocks with nice black plastic Chiappa M1-22 stocks and metal handguards. Love the feel.Just love the feel of the M1 carbine.But don't like the old rotten/cracked wood that always seems to be attached to them when I buy one
I sometimes think about getting my carbine re-barrelled, but it's a Thai Police Howa so it's best left as it is.
