USPSA shooter shooting IPSC in Canada.. Black badge needed?

bsand said:
I'm not going to pin 60$ usd magazines. This thread is done.

The matter of fact is I'm not buying new magazines plus black badge. If it was just 10 round magazines I probably would. Since it's 10 round magazines plus 300$ bb.

Considering I can shoot and move at my club in usa, wheres at the one in Canada I can't even draw from a holster. USA is much more fun to shoot in.
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Yeah, we drop them on concrete floors or in mud, kick them, step on them, but god forbid, I wouldnt want to put a rivet in a sight hole to limit them at 10 either, that is too much to ask for just to shoot more matches that are closer.

I hear ya, if I had to drop $99 cdn on 4 new mags from corwin arms, id have to give up, like, maybe, 1, to almost, 2 whole practice sessions to offset that kind of expense.

Not sure where its $300 but here its $200 and it covers 1 one year membership to IPSC in that province and your first two level 2 matches, the rest, minus breakfast for the instructors, basically gets split between IPSC Canada and the club/range that gave up the range time to hold the course.

The membership and matches you will pay for regardless and what would 2 days of range time be worth to use up 400-500 rounds practicing action shooting relevant drills.

What clubs can hold IPSC matches if your not allowed to draw for a holster, sorry but I call BS on that one.

Looks to me that with pinning your mags you would get away with an extra $100 above what you would need to pay anyway, to upward of maybe $200 - $250 if you did buy 4-6 new mags, that could be used for not only IPSC but USPSA as well. If that puts a noticeable dent in anyone's yearly shooting budget, considering it will open up more and or closer matches, then maybe action shooting sports in general is not for them.
 
Murray gaurnder charges 280 for the course plus 20$ range cards for two days. That's how it's 300$.


The magazines weren't a big deal, now paying 300$ for a course for things I already know is. Considering I did come in 1st for production at todays match, I obviously already know what I'm doing when it comes to 'run and gunning' and drawing from a holster with one in the pipe in freezing weather while snowing. That's what my issue is.

If IPSC BC doesn't want to recognize my uspsa credentials, I'm not going to shoot in Canada. Rivets make magazines stick in guns, that's another reason why I'm not going to pin them. 100$ ain't a big deal for me, I spend more than that in ammo in 2 weeks.

oh and i was wrong, i Only have sight holes at 5, 10 round and 18. I would have to drill the magazine to rivet. so no go

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bsand said:
Murray gaurnder charges 280 for the course plus 20$ range cards for two days. That's how it's 300$.


The magazines weren't a big deal, now paying 300$ for a course for things I already know is. Considering I did come in 1st for production at todays match, I obviously already know what I'm doing when it comes to 'run and gunning' and drawing from a holster with one in the pipe in freezing weather while snowing. That's what my issue is.

If IPSC BC doesn't want to recognize my uspsa credentials, I'm not going to shoot in Canada. Rivets make magazines stick in guns, that's another reason why I'm not going to pin them. 100$ ain't a big deal for me, I spend more than that in ammo in 2 weeks.
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I thought you said this thread was "done"..?
 
Ohhhhh - can I be the second? This "American" was just looking for excuses not to shoot. Afraid of the Canadians I guess. Quit wasting your breath. "Not going to do this" Whine. "Not going to do that" Whine. Better off without him.
 
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RocKeTRicH said:
Bsand, have you attempted to communicate with IPSC BC and see if they can accommodate you because of your mad USPSA acquired skills and if they would allow you to pay into IPSC BC membership, provided you show your USPSA credentials and matches that you have participated in? I pay both USPSA membership and IPSC Ontario membership to play. And up here you can practice more mag changes with our 10 round capacity.
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You don't have to pay uspsa. Being Canadian ipsc member allows you to shoot any uspsa matches, as long as uspsa stays to be ipsc region.
Same goes for US residents who are members of uspsa - they don't need ipsc membership to shoot ipsc matches in Canada. But as Sean explained they have to confirm they are being able to play safely with Canadian section, which OP obviously failed to do. We have regular competitor from US and other places in the world shooting matches in Ontario, so I know it first hand.
 
euxx said:
You don't have to pay uspsa. Being Canadian ipsc member allows you to shoot any uspsa matches, as long as uspsa stays to be ipsc region.
Same goes for US residents who are members of uspsa - they don't need ipsc membership to shoot ipsc matches in Canada. But as Sean explained they have to confirm they are being able to play safely with Canadian section, which OP obviously failed to do. We have regular competitor from US and other places in the world shooting matches in Ontario, so I know it first hand.
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That's true. I shot my first couple of USPSA matches without a membership. I only got the membership to record my scores and get a USPSA ranking. Sadly they stopped running USPSA matches at the Semiahmoo gun club. That basement was a great place to shoot during the winter.
 
euxx said:
You don't have to pay uspsa. Being Canadian ipsc member allows you to shoot any uspsa matches, as long as uspsa stays to be ipsc region.
Same goes for US residents who are members of uspsa - they don't need ipsc membership to shoot ipsc matches in Canada. But as Sean explained they have to confirm they are being able to play safely with Canadian section, which OP obviously failed to do. We have regular competitor from US and other places in the world shooting matches in Ontario, so I know it first hand.
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Hi Kam,

Regarding your question about having to take a Black Badge course to shoot
IPSC in BC.

Canadians are required to take a Black Badge course.

There are several instructors in the Lower Mainland, many do one on one, or
very small classes.

If you require further information please contact me.

Nick King
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Thats what the reply was, had I lied and said I was NOT canadian probably would have been different.
 
I don't know what have you asked, but I know Nick is a reasonable guy and he told you to contact him if you have questions. The key is to ask the right question. But then again, you already admitted you don't want to shoot in Canada. Seriously, $300 is nothing if you really wanted to shoot in a first place, you'd spend much more on travel and ammo in a short time. Who are you kidding?

PS: You ignored my hint regarding membership and residence at least two times... Why don't you read ipsc rule book first
 
euxx said:
I don't know what have you asked, but I know Nick is a reasonable guy and he told you to contact him if you have questions. The key is to ask the right question. But then again, you already admitted you don't want to shoot in Canada. Seriously, $300 is nothing if you really wanted to shoot in a first place, you'd spend much more on travel and ammo in a short time. Who are you kidding?

PS: You ignored my hint regarding membership and residence at least two times... Why don't you read ipsc rule book first
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I have multiple matches I can attend in USA without paying a 300$ "entry fee". My home club has 1 match every weekend, sometimes three starting in february where I draw from a holster and move. Its not the matter of needing places to shoot, it's more so convenience factor which isn't there with a 300$ "entry" fee.
When the second closest match I can attend in USA is only 20 minutes further than TMSA also without a toll bridge and international border between us.

That gives me the 1st sunday and 3rd sunday to have a USPSA match to shoot. If I want to shoot conceal carry (IDPA style) that is the 2nd sunday and 4th saturday which is a whopping 4 miles from my home at my club. Then the speed steel is the 3rd saturday. I have plenty to shoot in USA without taking any further courses.
 
Hi Bsand,

First off, it's totally up to you where to shoot and what org to join. Be it USPSA, IPSC etc. Canada or USA.
Canadian residents are required to take BB course to shoot IPSC sanctioned matches regardless of whether they are USPSA members or not, thus BB course being a requirement.
USA residents who are USPSA members can shoot IPSC in Canada without BB course completion, so far.

Here is my story, if you care:
I personally had been USPSA member and shooter for about 3 years before I chose to take BB course and joined IPSC in Canada, while being a Canadian (citizen and resident) all that time. I live close to US border and thus it makes it easier - faster and cheaper to cross in and out going for (cheaper) USPSA matches in USA. I used to be a member of a US range and used to go across border just to practice too, about 9km one way. Not a LEO and CBP had no issues with it as I had proper paperwork.
I chose to become an IPSC member for various reasons where being able to shoot more often (USPSA and IPSC combined) and having a choice, being part of local shooters group and classification were part of it. I also joined IDPA and shot with IDPA guys in Canada and USA for a few years; traveled as far as Terrace BC from GVRD area to shoot a match. This sport isn't cheap to be a part of, you should already know that.
Said all that, I also chose and took a 2-day USPSA RO course in USA and am an USPSA RO for the last 2+ years, paid out my own pocket.
Did I get far with IPSC/USPSA? No, B class in IPSC and C class in USPSA. Why? Work, family, other common person's commitments...
Do I want to improve? Hell YES!!! Goal for 2017? To hit A class in IPSC :)
What shooting will cost me this year? Most likely CAD$1.5K just going to matches, ammo/etc. if I keep it very conservative. Consider I make my own ammo and have good stock of components at hand.

So, my advise? - stop whining, accept reality and work your way within.

Cheers,
cz
 
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bsand said:
I have multiple matches I can attend in USA without paying a 300$ "entry fee". My home club has 1 match every weekend, sometimes three starting in february where I draw from a holster and move. Its not the matter of needing places to shoot, it's more so convenience factor which isn't there with a 300$ "entry" fee.
When the second closest match I can attend in USA is only 20 minutes further than TMSA also without a toll bridge and international border between us.

That gives me the 1st sunday and 3rd sunday to have a USPSA match to shoot. If I want to shoot conceal carry (IDPA style) that is the 2nd sunday and 4th saturday which is a whopping 4 miles from my home at my club. Then the speed steel is the 3rd saturday. I have plenty to shoot in USA without taking any further courses.
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And we supposed to cary about all that why exactly? You need a reality check, brother.
 
euxx, IPSC Canada's RD has stated that in IPSC's eyes bsand is an American (see my highlight below). Nick King told bsand that all Canadians must take the BB course to shoot IPSC in Canada. Is bsand required to take the BB course before he can shoot in Canada? It seems he can't get a straight answer too his question in the original post.

Freedom Ventures said:
There's no need for an immediate response - especially during the holidays. Nothings' going on in BC anytime soon.

Here's the deal - if you live in another IPSC Region, you need to be a member there and have the regional director send a letter to this region confirming your abilities to safely compete before we'll let you shoot.
That's what we do with all the Europeans that come here, and what we do when we send people to other regions. It works very well.

The US is a bit "Special". Getting such a letter from their RD in the past has proven to be damn near impossible, so we have made exceptions for US IPSC members on a case-by-case basis.

If your last name is Leatham, Stoeger, Coley, Koons, Michel, Tilley, Jarret, Bragg, etc. - we already know you're good to go.
Others - we'll accept proof that you're an experienced shooter in lieu of the RD letter; Published USPSA class, results from L2 USPSA matches posted online, stuff like that.
In the end, though - this exception is done by the locals that you want to shoot with - so you need to sort it out with them - not here with a bunch of internet "experts".

Final thought - coming in with the attitude that you seem to have - isn't going to do anything to sort things out positively.
We've had lots of Americans (and in IPSC's eyes - you're an American) come here and shoot and have a great time, and we've had a great time with them.
All of them I remember - started out without a chip on their shoulder.
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euxx said:
And we supposed to cary about all that why exactly? You need a reality check, brother.
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It seems BSAND is looking for an answer that does't exist.
There is reality and there is something one wants to hear.

Very like to: Money vs paper bills argument. While one takes paper bills as 'money' other simply takes it as worthless piece of 'paper'.
 
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