Former RCMP S&W .38 Special service revolvers

Brian

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Wondering if there are any knowledgeable fellow gunnutz out there who can shed more light on this revolver. It is a Smith and Wesson .38 Special, 5 inch tapered barrel, registered as a Model 10. I acquired this in the late 90s and was told at the time by the seller that it was a former RCMP service revolver. It is a great shooter and in great condition but I am considering selling it in the near future so would like to get a better understanding of its lineage.

The serial number is listed in three locations on the barrel, cylinder and butt as 6815xx all matching, however the left side of the frame under cylinder hinge shows a stamped five digit serial number 15849 which I believe was assigned by the force. There is no S&W model number anywhere on the revolver. There is no MP frame stamp underneath the left grips and no lanyard swivel which some of the earlier RCMP model 10s had. Also, it has adjustable front and rear sights on it, which could have been added later. The barrel shows Made in USA on right side, however there are also Birmingham Nitro Proof (BNP) proof marks on it as well as the crossed sceptor/sword Birmingham proof house K-B-2 mark between the cylinder and trigger on the left side of the frame.

From online research I understand that in the late 60's/ early 70's the RCMP started swapping out their long action revolvers for short action versions. Members were allowed to purchase the turned-in revolver by writing a cheque to Crown Assets Disposal (reportedly $21.60 in 1971) and have it federally registered as a restricted private handgun, which is how some of these fell into private hands. When the .38 Special was later replaced by the S&W 5946, those .38 Specials were ordered destroyed rather than sold off.

I know there are a lot of knowledgeable S&W collectors here as well as many active and former RCMP members so any additional insights would be welcome, thanks! (If you own a former RCMP S&W .38 Special service revolver, also feel free to post pics.)

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Is that an old victory rechambered to .38 special with a new bbl and target sights? It has been re blued as well.
I think RCMP guns had an MP marked on the butt
 
The shape of the hammer, radiused hammer stud, and the knob on the end of the extractor rod are consistent with an old long action gun. The short action was introduced after WWII, with production gradually transitioning between 1945-1950. It would not have a model number, as they were not introduced until 1957.

The sideplate marking appears faint, as if the gun has been refinished. I suspect that the adjustable sights were added at the same time. What you likely have is an ex-military gun that was refurbished in the UK for the civillian market.

The RCMP was still using the Colt New Service at the time when this gun was manufactured. I don't think they made the switch to the .38 M&P until sometime in the mid-1950s.
 
I was under the impression that the RCMP 38 specials were 4" barrels - therefore prohib, and the reason they were destroyed rather than sold off
 
Suggest try your question on the Smith & Wesson forum. The stamped number inside the frame may be an assembly number. A letter request to Roy Jinx may shed some light as well.
 
The last Model 10 I saw used by the RCMP was a NIB revolver which I got to shoot at our range. The local Dog Man was about to use it for a prop. He would drive down a road and toss the gun from the vehicle and his dog would have to find it. After a day on the range he went off to start the training with the dog. I saw the gun several weeks later and it looked like it had been hauled behind a car. It is my understanding the force still has Model 10's in stores and the guns are used for purposes such as I just described. I don't recall how it was marked. I am sure there are enough members on the site that will offer up the information you are asking about.

The Model 10 used a notch in the frame for a rear sight so at least that portion of the gun is incorrect. The front sight has been changed as that too is not correct for a Model 10. My Model 10 5" from the period does not have the upper third screw on the face plate either. My guess is the gun started out as a War time warrior in 38 S&W has been re-barreled for 38sp. A check on the Smith & Wesson Forum wil tell you when it was made via the serial number.

Take Care

Bob
 
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From the serial number, I would have to say that you may have a .38 Hand Ejector Model of 1905 fourth change. Since British marking are found on it, it may have been a British Service Revolver.
 
I was under the impression that the RCMP 38 specials were 4" barrels - therefore prohib, and the reason they were destroyed rather than sold off
....Nope!..All 5" barreled, with an oval shaped lanyard swivel, marked/stamped RCMP on the left side of the frame. Plain clothed issue were 2". Government Legislation mandated destruction and prohibited selling off to Members....There are a few K22 Revolvers that were owned by the Provincial Government, BC I'm aware of, that were part of the Auxiliary program that were sold off......David K
 
....Nope!..All 5" barreled, with an oval shaped lanyard swivel, marked/stamped RCMP on the left side of the frame. Plain clothed issue were 2". Government Legislation mandated destruction and prohibited selling off to Members....There are a few K22 Revolvers that were owned by the Provincial Government, BC I'm aware of, that were part of the Auxiliary program that were sold off......David K

Correct, the K frame 38 SPL issue was a pencil 5" brl I hated them
 
Correct, the K frame 38 SPL issue was a pencil 5" brl I hated them

Just seems more appropriate for a Mountie to be riding a horse with a revolver on his side than a pistol. Than again the pistol goes better with Blue and White Lights...not that I know that for sure. :>). I do love my Model 10 though. It has the 5" pencil barrel and is accurate as can be. With 200 gr lead bullets is is a rabbit killer bare none, according to a friend of mine down in California who shoots the desert jack rabbits with his. Mine just slays clay pigeons and kills cardboard.

Take Care

Bob
 
Correct, the K frame 38 SPL issue was a pencil 5" brl I hated them
....'Carried one for years, and even when issued the 2" version, I often still carried the Model 10 5"in a"Pancake Holster". With the148grn SWC it was very accurate, and personally, I never felt "undergunned". To be fair, the original issued 150/148 grn ROUND-NOSED was terrible ! Accurate sure, but operationally, it would "splash"/ ricochete upwards on cars' windshields and over penetrate on soft targets with little or no expansion, or even deformation, and therefore little energy transfer/stopping power ....I'm still PO'd that I couldn't buy mine when we transitioned to the 9mm Pistol! LOL!! .... David K
 
David when the BMO got rid of the guns from the Bank in 1973 I tried to buy two of my branches guns. Some of the guns the Bank had were real collector items including early semi-auto .380's. If you want one they are at the bottom of the Toronto harbour. The Bank collected them all and had some company dump them in the Lake. I did get about 40 boxes of 38S&W and 38Spl though from phoning some of the branches.

Take Care

Bob
 
David when the BMO got rid of the guns from the Bank in 1973 I tried to buy two of my branches guns. Some of the guns the Bank had were real collector items including early semi-auto .380's. If you want one they are at the bottom of the Toronto harbour. The Bank collected them all and had some company dump them in the Lake. I did get about 40 boxes of 38S&W and 38Spl though from phoning some of the branches.

Take CareBob

Or at least that's yer story and you're stickin' to it eh Bob? :)
 
Or at least that's yer story and you're stickin' to it eh Bob? :)

If I could have got my hands on the guns at Forestburg Br., I would still have them. Alas they are with the fishes.

A.380 semi auto Savage from about 1906 or so and a Colt Police Positive marked Bank of Montreal and Molson's Bank. Both should have gone to the Bank's museum in Montreal.

Take Care

Bob
 
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