Between the p7m13 & p7m10 is one more desirable over the other? I ve seen a few m13's in the ee over the years but never an m10. Are they worth roughly the same? I know the m10 was made for a shorter period but it's also heavier/chunkier and 40 is not as popular as 9mm theses days.
Desirability of H&K P7M13 vs P7M10
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I've seen 2 M10s in EE 2 to 3 years ago. Both mint. One was listed at 3800 and the other at 4500, I believe. That put them at about twice the price of a comparable M13. What you say is true - the M10s are in a calibre that seems to be progressively losing popularity, and the design of the M10 was chunky and compromised compared to a 9mm version. But they were rarer.
I think the M13 has gone up in value a little and could see a mint sample fetching 2300-2500 (maybe more). Hard to gauge what the current price of the M10 is. I'd be surprised if they have gone up in value much if at all, but there are enough HK collectors out there who will pay a premium. I would love one but not for $4K.
In the P7 platform, 9mm is really where it is at unless you are a collector.
I think the M13 has gone up in value a little and could see a mint sample fetching 2300-2500 (maybe more). Hard to gauge what the current price of the M10 is. I'd be surprised if they have gone up in value much if at all, but there are enough HK collectors out there who will pay a premium. I would love one but not for $4K.
In the P7 platform, 9mm is really where it is at unless you are a collector.
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The P7 has reached collector status since it has been discontinued, is unique due to the squeeze cocker, gas operation, service history and is also really well made. There are many guns that are historical but few offer the quirky features of the P7.
My opinion is simply supply and demand. There are way fewer M10s than M13s. It is made in a different caliber than most P7s.
This makes it hold its value. It may not increase quickly but it won't go down much either. Is it a practical gun? No! Is it a collectible one? Absolutely! The only one even more collectible is the .22LR version but good luck with that one!
PS gdawg is right. The P7 is best in 9mm. As a shooter, the P7M8 would be my choice. The really hard grips of the design makes prolonged shooting of a M13 not too fun, not to mention the heat dissipation issue!
My opinion is simply supply and demand. There are way fewer M10s than M13s. It is made in a different caliber than most P7s.
This makes it hold its value. It may not increase quickly but it won't go down much either. Is it a practical gun? No! Is it a collectible one? Absolutely! The only one even more collectible is the .22LR version but good luck with that one!
PS gdawg is right. The P7 is best in 9mm. As a shooter, the P7M8 would be my choice. The really hard grips of the design makes prolonged shooting of a M13 not too fun, not to mention the heat dissipation issue!
I actually have both the M10 & M13. The M10 is by far the more collectible of the two. There were a very limited number of them built compared to the others. The M10 is a bit of an ugly duckling compared to the M13 for sure. The much larger slide doesn't help its appearance much but it does make the .40 cal a real pussycat to shoot. In the 10 yrs or so that i have owned mine I have shot it exactly twice more to satisfy my curiosity than anything else. The heat issue has never been a real issue for me as I haven't shot any sort of competition with it and I don't ever plan to with any of my P7's and nor does any owner of them I would be guessing. There are way cheaper guns to do that with nowadays. They are all great shooters and if you get a chance to try one you definitely should.
Seems to my the P7M13 at $2500 is cheap in Canada . Looking at American sites they are listed between 3500 to 4500 for mint ones with all paper work . Makes me want to export mine if 4K is on the table . Buy just because they are listed for that does not mean they are selling them .
nice bunch of guns there, look way better tham mine, I have had 3 p7 psp, and a m13, I liked shooting the P7PSP better than the 13, better trigger,
thou a bad trigger on one of these is better than most guns I have shot , think tuned s-w 14 or colt.
One time , I loaded up 4 mags in the m13 and ran them fast, it did get very hot, just something I tried one time.
BTW, I would love to find a nice set of grips for the M13, could order a set out of Gernamy, but the exchange is bad now
thou a bad trigger on one of these is better than most guns I have shot , think tuned s-w 14 or colt.
One time , I loaded up 4 mags in the m13 and ran them fast, it did get very hot, just something I tried one time.
BTW, I would love to find a nice set of grips for the M13, could order a set out of Gernamy, but the exchange is bad now
That is a beautiful collection. I respect your opinion because the M10 is a cool gun. As a collecter of some older HKs, I'd love to add one, but your assessment doesn't really capture the counterpoint. The M10 might be the smallest, highest quality and nicest shooting .40 with a 4" barrel, but it also weighs 43 ounces, which pretty much makes it the heaviest 4" .40 by a good margin. The M13 weighs in at 30 ounces. The single stack P7s, a couple ounces less than that. The P7 platform was made for 9mm, and in that calibre, it is an elegant pistol. The M10, not so much. If you want to collect, you need them all. If you just want to experience what the P7 really is, get a 9mm version.
Great post again on the P7 series (as usual) Ghostie. I agree with your last statement about it being "the best .40 ever made?" For me it is as well. I haven't owned a lot of .40's but I have owned a half dozen or so and I do still own a Glock 22 and a Steyr M40 and the M10 is by far the better of these three. Soft shooting, extremely accurate and compact as all hell. The downside to the M10 is price and weight compared to the others. The M10 looks ungainly except when compared to other modern pistols that fire the .40 cal. The dimensions really aren't that different as can be seen in Ghostie's pics. Where it is most noticeable is against the other P7's. The P7 by nature is a very nice little sleek pistol with beautiful lines and the heavier top strap spoils the look of the M10 a bit compared to its brethren in my opinion.
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Uughhhg! Both guns totally over-rated. Fluted chambers that ruin brass, magazines that cost more than ammo, plus a gas recoil system that heats up too fast....
Not suitable for competition, too heavy for IDPA, H&K did us all a favour phasing out this pistol.
Not suitable for competition, too heavy for IDPA, H&K did us all a favour phasing out this pistol.
An obsolete but very cool design.
I had a PSP and P7M8 in the collection and even used the M8 at an IDPA competition.
Recoil is noticeably sharper with considerably more muzzle rise over the tried and true Short recoil action in the vast majority of autos. Firm control is an absolute must for reasonable speed with follow up shots.
Probably awesome as a carry piece, as they really do maximize the use of space in their design, and anyone other than a gunnutz familiar with their design would be a bit dumbfounded with the operation - at least at first.
I sold mine off due to lack of use (they were pulled out rarely and I was tending to focus on competition use), and regret it.
I had a PSP and P7M8 in the collection and even used the M8 at an IDPA competition.
Recoil is noticeably sharper with considerably more muzzle rise over the tried and true Short recoil action in the vast majority of autos. Firm control is an absolute must for reasonable speed with follow up shots.
Probably awesome as a carry piece, as they really do maximize the use of space in their design, and anyone other than a gunnutz familiar with their design would be a bit dumbfounded with the operation - at least at first.
I sold mine off due to lack of use (they were pulled out rarely and I was tending to focus on competition use), and regret it.
Need to disagree here.....recoil is heavy but muzzle flip is very minimal, the gun has a very low bore axis, lower than the Glock. Very, very accurate, great trigger. Reload ultra fast, just squeeze the cocker and the slide drops. The first truly ambidextrous gun with very clean lines, no complicated controls all business and gross motor skills operation / use. Let's travel back in time, it won the reliability trials in the US Forces Pistol test (1985) that ended up going to Beretta. Dare say that the first round hit potential with this gun is much better than a DA / SA Beretta or Sig Sauer.
I will admit that the gun heats up with use.....but in HK's defence, an operator will likely only be carrying 3 or 4 mags, the gun is perfectly usable with that number of rounds for a handgun engagement. Fired, fluted brass can be reloaded too, just looks a bit ugly.
My P7 M13 will never be sold.
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I will admit that the gun heats up with use.....but in HK's defence, an operator will likely only be carrying 3 or 4 mags, the gun is perfectly usable with that number of rounds for a handgun engagement. Fired, fluted brass can be reloaded too, just looks a bit ugly.
My P7 M13 will never be sold.
Rich
I agree—it's the easiest pistol I've ever owned to shoot fast and accurate. I was really surprised how little muzzle flip there is. I wrote a detailed post last year when I first got mine.
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The P7 series is just a beautifully made piece of history.
It has drawbacks as a combat pistol. It has a weird center of gravity; it is heavy for its size ( then again, it's all steel!); it does have the over heating issue; you need long fingers to be comfortable; it is expensive even back then; and it is not a good stealth firearm as that loud click from cocking and uncocking is a dead giveaway in the dark.
As a piece of art, it is extremely well made, has a lot of innovative features, is accurate and, compared to the HKs of today, looks like a super model.
I wish I never sold mine.
It has drawbacks as a combat pistol. It has a weird center of gravity; it is heavy for its size ( then again, it's all steel!); it does have the over heating issue; you need long fingers to be comfortable; it is expensive even back then; and it is not a good stealth firearm as that loud click from cocking and uncocking is a dead giveaway in the dark.
As a piece of art, it is extremely well made, has a lot of innovative features, is accurate and, compared to the HKs of today, looks like a super model.
I wish I never sold mine.
The bore axis is pretty low, I agree. In comparison to the G17 it kicks like a mule. Maybe it is my short sausage fingers that prevented me from choking the chicken that is the pistol grip.
I'd definitely buy another if presented the opportunity.
I'd definitely buy another if presented the opportunity.
