Jungle Carbine Butt Pad

I have a theory about the flash hider on the Jungle Carbine. Notice how it looks just like a rocket nozzle? :cool:

Maybe when it fires it actually doubles the recoil backwards...it sure feels like it does anyway. :rolleyes:

Notice nobody else has ever used a similar design?

I bought one of those Shooter's Pal gel rubber buttpads to put on. It made a huge difference. Since we're not in the army we are free to do stuff like that.
 
I didn't think any milsurp could kick any harder than a #5. Then I tried the M44. When I handload for them, I drop about 5 gr of powder.

Have never shot an M44...but I have shot 8mm Mauser, with the steel buttplate. Ouch. Jungle Carbine, Ouch.

A .303 No 4...can shoot all day. That's the ticket.
 
Can honestly say my No5 doesn't bother me, but I do pull it alot tighter and make sure it's fit nice before I pull the trigger.
 
A slip-on recoil pad helps with Length-Of-Pull. :yingyang:


So, I'll stick with that story... ;)

Screw that. Torn labrum and fraying tendon makes me a proud user of the limbsavers. I'm not going to macho up and pretend just to look like a real man. (I carry a pistol and trample peoples rights to get that feeling, kidding!)
 
The first time I saw the No. 5 butt pad, I have always felt it was the design of a masochist. If I felt that strongly about the recoil of shooting my carbine, I might consider putting a No,4 but stock on it for shooting it regularly. It doesn't bother me that bad and I will only take it out on special occasions. (right now it has had less than 100 rounds through it)
 
Screw that. Torn labrum and fraying tendon makes me a proud user of the limbsavers. I'm not going to macho up and pretend just to look like a real man. (I carry a pistol and trample peoples rights to get that feeling, kidding!)


The slip-on recoil pad fit well ... after all that remained on the buttstock was bare metal.


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I'm looking forward to trying out this mule for the first time, I am familiar with the 45-70 shooting some large loads which is fun but not sustainable at times haha, we will be shooting this spring for bears. Cant wait
 
Just a few notes from the net...

"
The term "Jungle Carbine" was colloquial and never officially applied by the British Armed Forces,[5] but the Rifle No. 5 Mk I was informally referred to as the "Jungle Carbine" by British and Commonwealth troops during World War II and the Malayan Emergency.[3]

The No. 5 was about 100 mm shorter and nearly a kilogram lighter than the No. 4 from which it was derived. A number of "lightening cuts" were made to the receiver body and the barrel, the bolt knob drilled out, woodwork cut down to reduce weight and had other new features like a flash suppressor and a rubber buttpad to help absorb the increased recoil and to prevent slippage on the shooters clothing while aiming.[6] Unlike modern recoil pads the No. 5 buttpad significantly reduced the contact area with the users shoulder increasing the amount of felt recoil of the firearm. According to official recoil tests the No. 4 rifle yielded 10.06 ft·lbf (13.64 J) free recoil energy and the No. 5 carbine 14.12 ft·lbf (19.14 J). Of the No. 5 carbine 4.06 ft·lbf (5.50 J) extra recoil energy 1.44 ft·lbf (1.95 J) was caused by adding the conical flash suppressor.[7] The No. 5 iron sight line was also derived from the No. 4 marks and featured a rear receiver aperture battle sight calibrated for 300 yd (274 m) with an additional ladder aperture sight that could be flipped up and was calibrated for 200–800 yd (183–732 m) in 100 yd (91 m) increments. It was used in the Far East and other Jungle-type environments (hence the "Jungle Carbine" nickname) and was popular with troops because of its light weight (compared to the SMLE and Lee–Enfield No. 4 Mk I rifles then in service) and general ease of use,[8] although there were some concerns from troops about the increased recoil due to the lighter weight.[3]

Due to the large conical flash suppressor, the No 5 Mk I could only mount the No. 5 blade bayonet, which was also designed to serve as a combat knife if needed.[9]

A No. 5 Mk 2 version (or, more accurately, versions, as several were put forward) of the rifle was proposed (including changes such as strengthening the action to enable grenade-firing, and mounting the trigger from the receiver instead of on the trigger guard), but none of them was ever put into production and there was subsequently no No. 5 Mk 2 rifle in service.[10] Similarly, a number of "takedown" models of No. 5 Mk I rifle intended for Airborne use were also trialled, but were not put into production.[11]"
 
The slip-on recoil pad fit well ... after all that remained on the buttstock was bare metal.


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That is a nice setup and it makes for a handy woods rifle! I'm curious about your mount... What brand is it and does it hold zero well? I was thinking of doing something similar to one of my No. 5 and use it for moose hunting. No long distance shooting required, most of our moose are shot within 150', often much less... My eyes are getting older and need a bit of help.
 
That is a nice setup and it makes for a handy woods rifle! I'm curious about your mount... What brand is it and does it hold zero well? I was thinking of doing something similar to one of my No. 5 and use it for moose hunting. No long distance shooting required, most of our moose are shot within 150', often much less... My eyes are getting older and need a bit of help.


Thanks kindly; a bunch of the additions to that No.5 were done out of necessity (the rubber butt-pad was gone and so a recoil-absorbing slip-on went in its place, and the scope mount was due to the missing front & rear sights).


The mount has held zero quite well so far; it's rock-solid and thankfully parallel to the bore (though in the past, some examples of this type of mount for me haven't been so parallel, and have required windage-adjustable scope rings). The carbine "rides" in a Redhead padded soft-case, and with 20 shots of Sellier & Bellot .303 FMJ just recently the No. 5 was grouping solidly and consistently for my liking. And recoil was thankfully no problem, probably due to that slip-on recoil pad.


Perhaps someone can help identify the scope mount; it fastens to the side of No.4 and No. 5 receivers and is a generally inexpensive type of mount that's a fave of mine:


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Thanks Cyclone! Adley apparently makes a good mount, never tried one, but I was curious about what other options are available...
 
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