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Rod B
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Theodore Roosevelt in his Rough Riders uniform.
Man, that is one of the creepiest things I have ever seen. Hats off to theses guys, but holy crap!
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Robin Williams looked just like that in " Night at the Museum".
A post by jim Oxley in 12 O'clock forum
Re: Small B17 bomb bay and bomb load
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America didn't class it's bombers by weight carrying ability, but by size, armour protection and armament. Hence a four-engined bomber was classed as a Heavy Bomber. As to load carrying ability below are listed some figures that may be of interest to you.
B-17E
Empty Weight: 33,280lb
Loaded weight: 53,000lb
Max Bomb Load: 4,000lb
Range: 1100 miles with 4,000lb
B-17F
Empty Weight: 34,000lb
Loaded weight: 65,500lb
Max Bomb Load: 8,000lb
Range: 1,250 miles with 6,000lb
B-17G
Empty Weight: 38,000lb
Loaded weight: 65,500lb
Max Bomb Load: 9,600lb
Range: 1200 miles with 6,000lb
B-24D
Empty Weight: 32,605lb
Loaded weight: 71,200lb
Max Bomb Load: 12,000lb
Range: 1400 miles with 8,000lb
B-24J
Empty Weight: 38,000lb
Loaded weight: 71,200lb
Max Bomb Load: 12,800lb
Range: 1540 miles with 8,000lb
B-29
Empty Weight: 71,360lb
Loaded weight: 138,,000lb
Max Bomb Load: 20,000lb
Range: 1950 miles with 20,000lb
Halifax Mk.I
Empty Weight: 33,860lb
Loaded weight: 55,000lb
Max Bomb Load: 13,000lb
Range: 980 miles with 13,000lb
Halifax Mk.III
Empty Weight: 39,000lb
Loaded weight: 65,000lb
Max Bomb Load: 13,000lb
Range: 1260 miles with 13,000lb
Lancaster B.I
Empty Weight: 41,000lb
Loaded weight: 72,000lb
Max Bomb Load: 14,000lb
Range: 1040 miles with 12,000lb
Lancaster B.III
Empty Weight: 41,500lb
Loaded weight: 72,000lb
Max Bomb Load: 14,000lb
Range: 1040 miles with 14,000lb
Lancaster B.I (Special)
Empty Weight: 36,000lb
Loaded weight: 72,000lb
Max Bomb Load: 20,000lb - Grand Slam
Range: 660 miles with 20,000lb
Heinkel He 111H
Empty Weight: 17,000lb
Loaded weight: 30,850lb
Max Bomb Load: 7,165lb
Range: 910 miles with 6,000lb
Heinkel He 177A-5
Empty Weight: 37,038lb
Loaded weight: 68,343lb
Max Bomb Load: 13,225lb
Range: 1200 miles with 11,000lb
As can be seen from the above the load carrying of the B-17 (any model) is really quite poor. But the built-in survivability, which accounts for much of it's loaded weight, was legendary.
The B-24 could carry more, and over a greater distance. One reason why it was the popular choice with Pacific air force generals. But it was a more difficult aircraft to fly than the B-17, especially in formation and did not have quite the same strength to combat damage.
The Halifax could carry a (slightly) larger load than the standard Lancaster, and over a greater distance. But it too was more difficult to fly than it's counterpart, and was more susceptible to damage.
Of all the bombers shown above, only the Lancaster could carry more than it's rated max bomb load. That was the Grand Slam. But that was only in the specially modified B.I's, which were stripped of much equipment to assist in lift. And to it's extremely long bomb bay.
Interestingly the German bombers also had very good lift capabilities, especially the He 111. But at the expense of protective armour and armament. But pound for pound the german bombers could out bomb any equivalent Allied bomber.
Now the B-29.....well that's in a class all by itself. A truly outstanding aircraft. If it had flown over Germany the Luftwaffe, in all probability, would have been as ineffective against it as the Japanese.
Re: Small B17 bomb bay and bomb load
________________________________________
America didn't class it's bombers by weight carrying ability, but by size, armour protection and armament. Hence a four-engined bomber was classed as a Heavy Bomber. As to load carrying ability below are listed some figures that may be of interest to you.
B-17E
Empty Weight: 33,280lb
Loaded weight: 53,000lb
Max Bomb Load: 4,000lb
Range: 1100 miles with 4,000lb
B-17F
Empty Weight: 34,000lb
Loaded weight: 65,500lb
Max Bomb Load: 8,000lb
Range: 1,250 miles with 6,000lb
B-17G
Empty Weight: 38,000lb
Loaded weight: 65,500lb
Max Bomb Load: 9,600lb
Range: 1200 miles with 6,000lb
B-24D
Empty Weight: 32,605lb
Loaded weight: 71,200lb
Max Bomb Load: 12,000lb
Range: 1400 miles with 8,000lb
B-24J
Empty Weight: 38,000lb
Loaded weight: 71,200lb
Max Bomb Load: 12,800lb
Range: 1540 miles with 8,000lb
B-29
Empty Weight: 71,360lb
Loaded weight: 138,,000lb
Max Bomb Load: 20,000lb
Range: 1950 miles with 20,000lb
Halifax Mk.I
Empty Weight: 33,860lb
Loaded weight: 55,000lb
Max Bomb Load: 13,000lb
Range: 980 miles with 13,000lb
Halifax Mk.III
Empty Weight: 39,000lb
Loaded weight: 65,000lb
Max Bomb Load: 13,000lb
Range: 1260 miles with 13,000lb
Lancaster B.I
Empty Weight: 41,000lb
Loaded weight: 72,000lb
Max Bomb Load: 14,000lb
Range: 1040 miles with 12,000lb
Lancaster B.III
Empty Weight: 41,500lb
Loaded weight: 72,000lb
Max Bomb Load: 14,000lb
Range: 1040 miles with 14,000lb
Lancaster B.I (Special)
Empty Weight: 36,000lb
Loaded weight: 72,000lb
Max Bomb Load: 20,000lb - Grand Slam
Range: 660 miles with 20,000lb
Heinkel He 111H
Empty Weight: 17,000lb
Loaded weight: 30,850lb
Max Bomb Load: 7,165lb
Range: 910 miles with 6,000lb
Heinkel He 177A-5
Empty Weight: 37,038lb
Loaded weight: 68,343lb
Max Bomb Load: 13,225lb
Range: 1200 miles with 11,000lb
As can be seen from the above the load carrying of the B-17 (any model) is really quite poor. But the built-in survivability, which accounts for much of it's loaded weight, was legendary.
The B-24 could carry more, and over a greater distance. One reason why it was the popular choice with Pacific air force generals. But it was a more difficult aircraft to fly than the B-17, especially in formation and did not have quite the same strength to combat damage.
The Halifax could carry a (slightly) larger load than the standard Lancaster, and over a greater distance. But it too was more difficult to fly than it's counterpart, and was more susceptible to damage.
Of all the bombers shown above, only the Lancaster could carry more than it's rated max bomb load. That was the Grand Slam. But that was only in the specially modified B.I's, which were stripped of much equipment to assist in lift. And to it's extremely long bomb bay.
Interestingly the German bombers also had very good lift capabilities, especially the He 111. But at the expense of protective armour and armament. But pound for pound the german bombers could out bomb any equivalent Allied bomber.
Now the B-29.....well that's in a class all by itself. A truly outstanding aircraft. If it had flown over Germany the Luftwaffe, in all probability, would have been as ineffective against it as the Japanese.
What happened?
Ta 152H1 1x30mm and 2x20mm cannon. Max ceiling above B29's
When Hitler learned of the B-29 visit to England he cancelled bomber production and ordered emergency development of high altitude fighters. Perhaps the best to emerge in 1944 was the Focke Wulf Ta-152H which has only superficial resemblance to the FW-190D.
The Ta-152 could manage 472mph at 48,550ft with a range of 1,240 sm. The wings were optimised with a wing twist and thin airfoil for dog-fighting in very thin air.
B-29 Superfortress: 33,600ft / 9,000kg Bombload / 357mph. Max /220mph. Cruise
Fuel leak caused an in flight fire resulting in a forced landing in an Illinois cornfield in 2011 with 7 aboard. No fatalities, but a/c was destroyed by fire.
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^^^^What's the story here, Mister D? Looks like dude is about to get shanked!
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Actually, he was stabbed once with a yoroidoshi, which is a smaller blade, more like a long knife.
Going to nerd out here for a sec because I study Iaido, the drawing of the Japanese sword, but katana are longer, with blade lengths (around 2.45 shaku which is about 75cm).
Anyway, back to the photo, Inejiro Asanuma was already stabbed in the photo, and the 17 year old assassin Otoya Yamaguchi was going for a second strike.
Going to nerd out here for a sec because I study Iaido, the drawing of the Japanese sword, but katana are longer, with blade lengths (around 2.45 shaku which is about 75cm).
Anyway, back to the photo, Inejiro Asanuma was already stabbed in the photo, and the 17 year old assassin Otoya Yamaguchi was going for a second strike.
Its still not a good idea to profess too much admiration for China in Japan, and visa versa.
