jparent
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Did you just ASSUME my calibre?
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Did you just ASSUME my calibre?
That' s a great idea, unless you are a liberal, a fudd or a Heidi Rathjen's friend...
Marijuana is it already legal ?
norlandgeese
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All this is part of the fight guys, why blame the civilians exercising free speech and defending their rights? This kind of mentality baffles me --->
----------> only if you would've acted submissively and subserviently the authority would not have persecuted you.... its your fault....
My goodness, do we live in North Korea?
----------> only if you would've acted submissively and subserviently the authority would not have persecuted you.... its your fault....
My goodness, do we live in North Korea?
Epoxy7
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I completely disagree with you. First off none of the actual police officers really consider the lab as "RCMP" even though it is run by the RCMP. It's a bureaucratic office with the odd Officer in charge and civilian employees. That being said it is administered by the RCMP so it needs to follow the expectations of the RCMP. Contrary to all the negative publicity, anti police types would have one believe, the RCMP are a professional police force. Impartial and professional service are expected. A bureaucratic office still needs to adhere to the same exceptions as the actual policing sections. That shouldn't be confused with catering to public opinion or political whims. The motto is "Maintiens le Droit" If the name on the side offended someone and that caused them to classify this as prohibited then there is an issue that needs to be stopped right now. That type of action isn't professional or unbiased and is unacceptable in a professional police force. Just as catering to the many demands of public opinion which goes against doing things properly would also be unprofessional.
If there was a mistake made, then those who made the determination need to make it right. If there is more to it, then it would be interesting to see what that was. I know with the 22 that was deemed an AK variant a lot on here didn't bother to do any research or they would have realized it was identical to a named variant by OIC which made any other determination impossible. Even though the firearm clearly wasn't a variant of an AK. The OIC made that a mute point. Yet many here would have you believe it was based on looks, politics etc. It was based on politics, but the government's politics of the time as they had it listed as prohibited by name in an Order in Council. Therefore it was law and the RCMP were duty bound to comply with this. Due to this, I tend to take the "it looks scary" rationale or it offended someone opinion by many on here with a grain of salt. Lots of opinions, but little to no research.
I wish Wolverine the best of luck. They have in my experience always been an excellent company to deal with. I hope this was a mistake/oversight and ends up in Wolverine's favour.
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Pocisk
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Pocisk
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On the bright side, I can't wait for Wolverine to start importing those non-restricted 18.5 inch barreled, semi-auto AK-47 Spartan rifles!! Same logic applies, it's not an AK47 anymore, it's a Spartan. It's also not a variant, it's the real deal. Catch 'em in their own 22.
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Ive only seen the CSA VZs. I'm noticing some tooling marks on the action of this sample CZ Spartan. Fluke? Or all 858s roughly finished?
derrick1978
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the lab fall under the banner of the rcmp and is administered by bureaucrats, you're arguing semantics. There is much contention surrounding this rifle, it was used in a major criminal incident in Quebec which is more than likely why it was on the radar for a classification change. The receiver should have been left "cz 858 2-p" and there wouldn't have been an issue. But instead smugness ensued and the receivers were marked with "spartan" and " moan labe", and created an unrequired animosity. The lab was privy to the marketing behind the rifle, and fired back with their decision. Firearm owners once again becoming their own worst enemy, and the cognitive dissonance is thick in these 67 pages, thinking partisanship does not exist within this dept.
evolture
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not correct.
derrick1978
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That's correct but it's on the rifle. 95% of the Canadian population thinks polar opposite to the gun owners on this forum. The liberal left is triggered by micro-aggressions and you can now be charged under human rights legisltion by labelling an individual with an incorrect gender pronoun. Less than 5% of the population has any sympathy for us, nor would care if our personal property was to be confiscated. Time is short and it's best to work within reality as it presently exists and avoid kicking the hornet's nest for no good reason. Strip the furniture, refinish the bcg, change the propoganda and re-submit.
You're misinformed. That's exactly how they are labeled.
Mr Wolverine
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Correct, to be exact "CZ 858 Tactical - 2P" the same as they have always been marked, absolutely no changes to the markings on the "Frame or Receiver" which as we all know is the one controlled part.
Unfortunately there is a lot of miss information been spread about, I am really not sure where it is all coming from!
philhut
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Wolverine here is a marketing idea
Print and sell
Hats
Shirts
Clothing
Slings etc. With the Prohibited logo on them.
Stick it to the RCMP
Sticks and stones but words can never hurt you, unless your a tyrannical oppressive regime. Then words must be silenced more dangerous than the sword.
Print and sell
Hats
Shirts
Clothing
Slings etc. With the Prohibited logo on them.
Stick it to the RCMP
Sticks and stones but words can never hurt you, unless your a tyrannical oppressive regime. Then words must be silenced more dangerous than the sword.
Mr Wolverine
CGN Regular
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- Manitoba. Canada
Believe it or not, I am extremely pro RCMP, I believe them to be an honourable organisation and I am pleased to be policed by them. In my opinion a lot of comments against them in this thread are not justified.
How about some Wolverine/Molon Labe swag/firearms etc. Maybe some patches, ball caps etc. I was checking to see if you have any of the Sig Molon Labe 1911's in the other day - but looks like you're all out. Going to buy some gun food from you instead and try out the Xmetal ammo you guys have brought in.
Hat's off to you John, very classy as always.
CravingGlory
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- West Coast
+1 Just like any large entity, it's the few at the top, not the hundreds of thousands on the front lines that make the calls. This is an executive decision, not a cop decision.
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Wow. That's kinda nice to hear...
You've defiantly got your big boy pants on. I'm not nearly as mature as you, that's for sure.
Epoxy7
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
If you're going to try and correct someone, you should maybe get your facts right first. First the receiver wasn't touched. The addition was on the dust cover and the furniture. The lab has guidelines that they have to follow. There is no room for emotions. If what you are trying to suggest was truly the case then almost every firearm to come to the lab would be given a prohibited designation. We wouldn't have non restricted "black" rifles. Your argument isn't supported by any facts or even common sense. The RCMP don't care and guess what, the lab doesn't either. That's no more likely to get the firearm listed as prohibited than putting hello kitty stickers on a known prohibited firearm is going to get it a non restricted classification.
Please don't mistake what I'm saying as some sort of justification for the lab classification. I truly hope this was an oversight/mistake that will be cleared up shortly in Wolverine's favour.
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