No steel core allowed at the club I am a member of as well. When you sign up they tel you, when you do your intro shoot, guess what? They tell you. Signs are posted in the shooting bays "no steel core ammo"... what did I see yesterday? Guy blasting away with green tip. Range officer caught it pretty quickly, guys said he bought it there so he thought it was okay. There was a sign right on the pile of green tip boxes for sale that it wasn't range safe. Some people just don't think or care. Not the only range rule I saw him and his friend break that day... idiots.
Steel Core Ammunition on our Range
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TSE - a PIA, but you have to demand three things a) all ammo declared and tested before entry, b) your rifle is bore sighted, if not offer 'em up a laser c) you F up its minimum $500 d) better yet start collecting a deposit. Indeed a round leaving the range would be very, very bad for everyone. With the extremely high volume of steel core/jacket out there you just can't take any chances. Also its amazing you can shoot a rifle indoors at all when you consider they have 3-4 times the energy of a .44 mag.
mmcintyre1220
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Tillsonburg, Ontario
Just a non bias post here as I don't shoot steel core indoors nor do I shoot at your range but :
I think the main issue here is not only the quality of your steel but the method it was cut. First, if that truthfully is ar500 or 550 steel it was 150% cut with a torch which is a big no no with armour plate. Secondly, if that steel was cut with water jet, it is most definitely not ar500 or 550
I have a pile of test plates I was sent to not only test but to try and destroy from a now successful target company (I am not mentioning who) . Through my own testing I have seen this exact same issue happen.... But never the fault of steel core ammo. When I had this happen it was from plates cut with heat vs water jet or low grade armor plate. Shockingly 223/556 ripped more from the edges than 308 did. The only time it's acceptable to cut armour plate with a torch is when your doing an edge that you then plan to weld (with proper sticks or wire) .
The quality armour plates I have that were cut with water jet have been pounded with just about anything you can think of and have absolutely zero damage to them. This includes 50 bmg and 12 gauge slugs. Also copious amounts of steel core surplus ammo
I think the main issue here is not only the quality of your steel but the method it was cut. First, if that truthfully is ar500 or 550 steel it was 150% cut with a torch which is a big no no with armour plate. Secondly, if that steel was cut with water jet, it is most definitely not ar500 or 550
I have a pile of test plates I was sent to not only test but to try and destroy from a now successful target company (I am not mentioning who) . Through my own testing I have seen this exact same issue happen.... But never the fault of steel core ammo. When I had this happen it was from plates cut with heat vs water jet or low grade armor plate. Shockingly 223/556 ripped more from the edges than 308 did. The only time it's acceptable to cut armour plate with a torch is when your doing an edge that you then plan to weld (with proper sticks or wire) .
The quality armour plates I have that were cut with water jet have been pounded with just about anything you can think of and have absolutely zero damage to them. This includes 50 bmg and 12 gauge slugs. Also copious amounts of steel core surplus ammo
Lowestform
Regular
- Location
- North of Edmonton
What steel they use is irrelevant.
What matters is the rules they have in place, and the people that do not have the respect to follow them. If people don't like the rules, leave.
I don't think much else has to be said here.
What matters is the rules they have in place, and the people that do not have the respect to follow them. If people don't like the rules, leave.
I don't think much else has to be said here.
That damage could have easily been caused by a very fast lead core round also... This whole "no steel core" requirement by a lot of ranges is honestly a myth. Our 7.62x39 surplus rounds are NOT armour piercing. The sparks they sometimes create do carry an extremely small chance of creating a fire... There is no way they should cause that damage on a quality AR500 plate, let alone an AR550 one...
But then again. This is a business. They have every right to have any rule they want on their premises.
But then again. This is a business. They have every right to have any rule they want on their premises.
I was a member of a club and you required to purchase only the clubs ammo. This club was setup for employees of a Steel Company that rented a long standing indoor shooting range club who strictly monitored the condition of the back stop and equipment. Even no full metal jackets where allowed.
I agree but not fully. If the entire responsiblity laid with the shooter then what is the purpose of the range officer?
At our club we have steel I beams encased in 4x4 for overhead baffling on our outdoor range. Steel core rounds go through it like a hot knife in butter. How someone hits the baffling is beyond me but it happens. We had to obviously ban steel core.
The reason I won't be a member is because I tried calling for a couple of items was told no not in stock went the next day and they've re on the shelf. Let it slide. Wanted a 650 dollar red dot and was told by the moron behind the counter he couldn't put batteries in it because he had none. Did I want it or not? It wasn't a rare battery by any means. They had lots. The ammo is their policy, if they want to not allow it that's on them. They have far more issues than steel ammo at that place.
