Modern varmint

[cr5]

Is this a serious question? The Vietnam sniper only offers the thing with a stainless match barrel. So you have two options, run what it came with or swap the barrel. Guess what most are going to do?

Most people that train for competitive shooting and plan to run thousands of rounds down the barrel are probably going to buy an AR for that and own something like a MV play time off the range. Why would you buy a rifle like this when there is a rifle better suited to that type of shooting? We are allowed to own more than one rifle aren't we? I want a MV but if and or when I get into 3-gun I would still take one of my AR's. I would use a MV for precision rifle or service rifle if it was allowed as it's much better suited to lower volume shooting where you are actually aiming each shot not just putting a target in the circle reticle at 25 yards and ramming pistol and beowulf mags through it as fast as possible.

In the end people are free to use it however they want but to me I just think there are better options for high volume get it so hot you can barely hold it type shooting.

Mine will be fed a diet of PMC 55gr .223, PMC 62gr 5.56 Xtac, some Federal 55gr .223, and a handfull of performance ammo for accuracy.

I hope for 3moa or better for the bulk stuff, and 1moa or better with the premium stuff. I expect reliability to be pretty unanimous as exellent, but that remains to be seen when I get mine at the end of the month with the Proof barrel installed. I allready have plans to do a light weight "high consumption" upper in the future with a less expensive barrel option for more of a 3 gun/hard use plinker build so as to not wear out my Proof barrel on my bulk shooting prematurely.

Thats funny, how many rounds do you have through your MH? You definitely don't need to worry about burning out a barrel in your lifetime, I probably still have more rounds through that rifle than you and I only spent two days with it

noveske stainless match barrels with noveske match mod 0 chambers are accuracy rated for 30000 rounds. I have 2 of those barrels.

Strange, on the barrel page on their site Noveske recommend that for high volume shooting you select a CHF chrome lined barrel. Your 30000 number may apply to slow fire not getting it overly hot but not for hard use like running thousands of rounds a month like you said earlier.

My PWS has a Stainless barrel that is melonited (a form of nitriding) which creates a surface harder than chrome and they told me to expect around 20000 rounds of semi auto fire before a noticeable loss of accuracy but that would be reduced if it was run hard and allowed to get hot.


Again, people can do what they want with their stuff, it just seems like using a sports car to run a rally race, it may do it but you're shortening it's life for no real reason other than you can afford to. There are better tools available.

 

[Sveinn84]

I don't really understand everyone's reasoning. So you aren't supposed to shoot a MV much... The barrel burns out fast....Just a few rounds off the bench once in a while, then back in the safe? I want a MV, but all this talk about it needing match grade ammo just turns me off. I want a nice quality, Canadian made, non restricted rifle i can shoot to my heart's content. This really only seems like the only alternative at the moment. Ya... Go buy an AR, so the only place you can take it is the range. Not everyone has ranges near by, not everyone is around enough to use a range toy. The MV seems like a great way around those bottlenecks.

I don't know why people are so quick to jump down people's throats that want to buy a Canadian made rifle, to shoot it.


Edit: How realistic is it to get a different barrel made up? Something chrome lined, for when you want to blast away?

 

[onetwentyish]

Most people that train for competitive shooting and plan to run thousands of rounds down the barrel are probably going to buy an AR for that and own something like a MV play time off the range. Why would you buy a rifle like this when there is a rifle better suited to that type of shooting? We are allowed to own more than one rifle aren't we? I want a MV but if and or when I get into 3-gun I would still take one of my AR's. I would use a MV for precision rifle or service rifle if it was allowed as it's much better suited to lower volume shooting where you are actually aiming each shot not just putting a target in the circle reticle at 25 yards and ramming pistol and beowulf mags through it as fast as possible.

In the end people are free to use it however they want but to me I just think there are better options for high volume get it so hot you can barely hold it type shooting.



Thats funny, how many rounds do you have through your MH? You definitely don't need to worry about burning out a barrel in your lifetime, I probably still have more rounds through that rifle than you and I only spent two days with it





Strange, on the barrel page on their site Noveske recommend that for high volume shooting you select a CHF chrome lined barrel. Your 30000 number may apply to slow fire not getting it overly hot but not for hard use like running thousands of rounds a month like you said earlier.

My PWS has a Stainless barrel that is melonited (a form of nitriding) which creates a surface harder than chrome and they told me to expect around 20000 rounds of semi auto fire before a noticeable loss of accuracy but that would be reduced if it was run hard and allowed to get hot.


Again, people can do what they want with their stuff, it just seems like using a sports car to run a rally race, it may do it but you're shortening it's life for no real reason other than you can afford to. There are better tools available.

Thats fair. But I also dont really shoot anything other than 5.56/.223.

Im a volume shooter/steel plinker, my MH is the only platform I own that does not lend itself to that. As such it does not get the attention my others do. I also would like to seek some precision training/coaching before I wast to much more .308, not to mention my rifle needs to have the cam pin issue corrected as well before I spend any more time slinging rounds.

My other 5.56 rifles see alot more use!

 

[warrenlikesboats]

if someone asked how heavy of farm equipment the new 650 horsepower Z06 could pull, you would suggest they look in another direction.

Yes. But id atleast expect that 650hp Corvette to run on 87 octane!! having a .223 that wont fire cheaper ammo like UMC, PMC, etc. is a useless firearm if u ask me. But thats a non issue anyways cus Shawn assured me a while back that the MV will perform fine with such ammo.

 

[Brianma65]

It's a gun. That's it. Your gun. Shoot whatever you want out of it. It's not a 1/2 million $ car....lol
It's already been said that you can shoot the cheaper FMJ.

 

[Battleworn]

I'm going to stir the pot by asking what about shooting steel cased Barnaul. Or mfs ammo?

 

[Brianma65]

I'm going to stir the pot by asking what about shooting steel cased Barnaul. Or mfs ammo?

Is that junk that much cheaper than AE FMJ? It's about the same price around here ,maybe 5 cents cheaper per round. Not enough to worry about any way.

I agree with the ,shoot whatever you want,as it's your gun,your money. But I draw the line at the Norc,MFS ,Barnaul stuff ,as it's not that much cheaper but 10 times worst. I've seen lots of Norc,with pinholes in the case,no thanks.

 

[cr5]

Yes. But id atleast expect that 650hp Corvette to run on 87 octane!! having a .223 that wont fire cheaper ammo like UMC, PMC, etc. is a useless firearm if u ask me. But thats a non issue anyways cus Shawn assured me a while back that the MV will perform fine with such ammo.

If you don't understand why you don't run regular unleaded in a Corvette just understand that, yes it will run but it won't run well and you are shortening the life of the motor.
As that relates to a rifle like the MV with a match grade stainless barrel is just as ATRS has on their website. It will run on American Eagle 55gr but if you want to see the performance the rifle system is capable of you need to feed it quality ammo.


I find it funny how the threads while waiting for the newest rifle to be released are flooded with posts saying that the rifle better shoot 1 moa for that much money then as soon as it's released a lot of people are asking for a version in 7.62x39 or are complaining that the rifle only shoots 3 moa. Then you ask what ammo they're using and it's cheap crap surplus ammo.

The MV should be able to run pretty much any FMJ or tipped bullet but if you want accuracy you need to run good ammo.
All I'm saying when I say this may not be the best choice for high volume shooting is that it has a match barrel which has a certain lifespan where you can expect it to produce good accuracy which is a lot shorter life than a chrome lined barrel. If you just want to pound rounds down the barrel and don't mind having to replace the $500+ barrel more frequently then go for it. It's just that in my opinion if you're going to do that type of shooting and still want non restricted then a $2000 XCR would leave you well over $1000 for ammo and you wouldn't even notice the reduced accuracy since you're just shooting minute of gong.

Do what you want, it's your money but it makes as much sense to me as buying a $6000+ custom precision bolt action throwing a Bushnell 3-9x40 scope on it, running Remington core-lok and using it for deer hunting without ever throwing it on bags and trying premium ammo.

 

[Robbs]

If FN can make a functional folding non-reciprocating charging handle 50 years ago, funny a machining company cannot do the same today? The MH and MV charging handle reminded me of the charging handle design on the FN C1/C2. Those always stayed in place and functioned flawlessly. How MH/MV need a magnet etc. to achieve the same thing is kind of poor. For 4-5K there should be no issues and provisos.

 

[warrenlikesboats]

If you don't understand why you don't run regular unleaded in a Corvette just understand that, yes it will run but it won't run well and you are shortening the life of the motor.

THERE IS NO REASON why you cant buy that Corvette, run cheap 87 octane fuel in it for when you driving to work or weekend road trip, AND THEN; when you want to take her to the drag strip, throw some racing fuel in her! yah sure using it as your daily driver will wear it out, but think of all the good use you got out of her


I have no problem dumping $500 every 7000+ rounds (which is ALOT of rounds for many people) if im getting good reliable, and occasionally accurate use out of my MV......

 

[cr5]

THERE IS NO REASON why you cant buy that Corvette, run cheap 87 octane fuel in it for when you driving to work or weekend road trip, AND THEN; when you want to take her to the drag strip, throw some racing fuel in her! yah sure using it as your daily driver will wear it out, but think of all the good use you got out of her


I have no problem dumping $500 every 7000+ rounds (which is ALOT of rounds for many people) if im getting good reliable, and occasionally accurate use out of my MV......

No reason at all the manufacturer specifically states premium fuel only eh? Yup, what do they know? They only spend millions of dollars on professional engineers and R&D to get the car to run properly on a specific grade of fuel, but I'm sure they leave enough safety margin in the engine tune so some hillbilly can run 87 octane in his $80,000-$100,000 car so he can save $8 on a tank of gas. No doubt you know more about engines than they do.
And who buys a corvette and putts around like grandma going to church even on a daily commute to work? I have a Subaru WRX which is nowhere near as fast as a corvette yet I can't take it out without at least giving it a little run.
And you don't need race gas for drag racing unless your car is actually tuned to utilize race gas, pouring 110 octane into a car tuned for 91 will not do anything more than it did on 91 unless you have a tune for 110 octane that you can switch to. The fuel doesn't have more energy or make more power, it actually burns slower than lower octane fuel allowing for more ignition advance without pre-ignition (detonation). That's why when you run 87 octane you shorten the life of the engine, detonation is like taking a ballpeen hammer to the top of your piston every power stroke of the cylinder.

You go ahead and run whatever fuel you want in your car and whatever ammo you want in your rifle, I doubt you'll notice a difference anyway.

 

[warrenlikesboats]

Uh huh, ..... we r going to have to agree to disagree CR5.....

 

[Sqr]

No reason at all the manufacturer specifically states premium fuel only eh? Yup, what do they know? They only spend millions of dollars on professional engineers and R&D to get the car to run properly on a specific grade of fuel, but I'm sure they leave enough safety margin in the engine tune so some hillbilly can run 87 octane in his $80,000-$100,000 car so he can save $8 on a tank of gas. No doubt you know more about engines than they do.
And who buys a corvette and putts around like grandma going to church even on a daily commute to work? I have a Subaru WRX which is nowhere near as fast as a corvette yet I can't take it out without at least giving it a little run.
And you don't need race gas for drag racing unless your car is actually tuned to utilize race gas, pouring 110 octane into a car tuned for 91 will not do anything more than it did on 91 unless you have a tune for 110 octane that you can switch to. The fuel doesn't have more energy or make more power, it actually burns slower than lower octane fuel allowing for more ignition advance without pre-ignition (detonation). That's why when you run 87 octane you shorten the life of the engine, detonation is like taking a ballpeen hammer to the top of your piston every power stroke of the cylinder.

You go ahead and run whatever fuel you want in your car and whatever ammo you want in your rifle, I doubt you'll notice a difference anyway.

If owners are ill-rational enough to undertake such an endeavor I guess it is up to them. However what grabs me is when said owners complain about an issue even if the OEM instructions or warranty specifically states what not to do.

 

[alberta tactical rifle]

If owners are ill-rational enough to undertake such an endeavor I guess it is up to them. However what grabs me is when said owners complain about an issue even if the OEM instructions or warranty specifically states what not to do.

THIS accounts for 99% of the problems we have seen with the Modern Hunter. Guys NOT following simple instructions regarding lubrication and trying to run inappropriate ammo through the rifle. Most AR10 platforms do not perform well or at all with cast lead bullets, soft tipped bullets or the extra hot loaded ammo. We have seen examples of all of these as the cause of problems that are then blamed on us or the rifle/rifles design.

To set the record straight for all. ALL of our rifles employ match quality barrels and the chambers that these barrels have cut ARE minimum SAAMI spec, so in reality any ammo should work. HOWEVER crap ammo is much more likely to be out of spec dimension-ally and typically has much dirtier powder used than domestically produced ammo does and possibly corrosive primers ALL of which WILL effect how the rifle performs both in regards to reliability and accuracy. Steel cased ammo is solely suited for use in loose chambered battle rifles, something our rifles are not.

Run what you like for ammo but understand you are running the risk if it damages the rifle, or causes problems, warranty could be denied and the costs of repair could exceed what you saved by running crap ammo. One Einstein learned this lesson after using 90 weight gear lube as the lubricant of choice in a firearm and then #####ed strenuously about the cost of repair. Stupid can be expensive!

 

[onetwentyish]

 

[Uisge]

Light primer strikes with hirtenberger, the Timney doesn't have a heavy hammer spring, you could change the spring if you wanted. If you want to spend 4K+ on a rifle and choose to feed it some cheap ammo cool, it's your gun. It's not like you can't change the barrel, isn't that one of the reasons these rifles are so popular? The modularity of the design?

 

[Sqr]

Light primer strikes with hirtenberger, the Timney doesn't have a heavy hammer spring, you could change the spring if you wanted. If you want to spend 4K+ on a rifle and choose to feed it some cheap ammo cool, it's your gun. It's not like you can't change the barrel, isn't that one of the reasons these rifles are so popular? The modularity of the design?

who would spend money on a custom made firearm then change the barrel out once its received?

 

[rally guy]

Yes. But id atleast expect that 650hp Corvette to run on 87 octane!! having a .223 that wont fire cheaper ammo like UMC, PMC, etc. is a useless firearm if u ask me. But thats a non issue anyways cus Shawn assured me a while back that the MV will perform fine with such ammo.

Well that 650hp Corvette is actually NOT going to run on 87 octane. Its probably going to pull back timming like crazy trying to keep its motor from disintegrating it self from misfire and pre ignition.

Even many mild sports car require premium gas such as 350/370z , wrx sti and evo. Running regular can be dammaging but more importantly force the ecu to pull timming to keep from detonating witch result in a loss of power.

So yes you can run norinco or other bulk but accuracy and life expenctency might suffer

 

[rally guy]

No reason at all the manufacturer specifically states premium fuel only eh? Yup, what do they know? They only spend millions of dollars on professional engineers and R&D to get the car to run properly on a specific grade of fuel, but I'm sure they leave enough safety margin in the engine tune so some hillbilly can run 87 octane in his $80,000-$100,000 car so he can save $8 on a tank of gas. No doubt you know more about engines than they do.
And who buys a corvette and putts around like grandma going to church even on a daily commute to work? I have a Subaru WRX which is nowhere near as fast as a corvette yet I can't take it out without at least giving it a little run.
And you don't need race gas for drag racing unless your car is actually tuned to utilize race gas, pouring 110 octane into a car tuned for 91 will not do anything more than it did on 91 unless you have a tune for 110 octane that you can switch to. The fuel doesn't have more energy or make more power, it actually burns slower than lower octane fuel allowing for more ignition advance without pre-ignition (detonation). That's why when you run 87 octane you shorten the life of the engine, detonation is like taking a ballpeen hammer to the top of your piston every power stroke of the cylinder.

You go ahead and run whatever fuel you want in your car and whatever ammo you want in your rifle, I doubt you'll notice a difference anyway.

Yes!!! Only thing the higher the octane is it is actually harder to ignite, not slower to burn. And dumping 110 octane in a untune care will result in a loss in performance.

What year wrx do you run? I got a 2009 sti at the moment.

 

[rally guy]

who would spend money on a custom made firearm then change the barrel out once its received?

His point is that one might reduce the life spam of the barrel by using crappy ammo and then could replace the barrel.