Navy SEAL duck-bill vietnam shotgun.

Now you have my attention, how much? And on second thought put me down for 2 threaded for a Remington 870! ;)
 
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patriot1 said:
"Poor trigger discipline" was perhaps the wrong choice of words. I should have said something like, "Is it just me or does his finger seem awfully close to the trigger". To be clear I have the utmost respect for Navy SEALS and military personnel. Obviously he knows what the hell he's doing. I was just surprised at the finger/trigger proximity.
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Ever use a garand or m1a safety?
 
Who knows?

Watson may well have purposely carried his shotgun with his finger curled over the trigger guard, as to keep vegetation from pulling the trigger as he moved through dense underbrush?
 
A very good American friend of mine did a lot of fighting in Rhodesia.

SOP was no slings, finger on trigger, no safeties used, and semi-auto only. SOP's were his. He had to train his men hard and keep on them but insisted it had to be this way in order to shoot back immediately or they'd be dead due to the close proximity bush ambushes. His guys never had one accident.
 
870P said:
I'd avoid using slugs if I were you, even steel shot might be pushing it.

As you might know, the XM257 #4 buck load used in Vietnam specified extra hard and double plated pellets.

There's no commercial load that offers those anymore that I'm aware of, so your patterns may not be as consistant as the service load.
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Winchester Supreme Premium Buckshot might be the only factory closest option maybe with copper plated pellets, buffered and magnum length?

Ballistic Products International might be the one source of loose nickel plated #4 buckshot for reloads. IIRC, this can be ordered through Wil Bilizor in Alberta.
 
enefgee said:
Chief Watson was the SEAL's ideal SEAL.

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"Chief Watson is an original plank owner of SEAL Team Two and, as one of the original “men with green faces,” served five tours in Vietnam. For his valor there, he earned sixteen combat decorations, four of which are Bronze Stars, all with Combat “V”. His twenty year Navy career included twenty-five training schools, eleven years on the SEAL teams, including serving as a CIA-sponsored advisor to the Provincial Reconnaissance Unit (PRU) Program in South Vietnam. These units investigated and attacked covert communist operations in South Vietnam. He also served with the Vietnamese LDNN (Lien Doc Nguoi Nhai, Vietnamese SEAL counterparts trained by the U.S. in eleven missions into Cambodia.
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He was a plank holder and the first senior noncom (Chief) in Team 6 (when there was one).

He basically forgot more about unconventional ops than most will ever know.

As an aside - and just to blow your mind on trigger discipline, the Russians (Spetsnaz "Alpha" and "SOBR") train to patrol with their fingers pressed forward, inside the guard, but then, they shoot at each other too.
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What's a plank?
 
Gatehouse said:
The duckbill was for real close quarters and shot a string of shot horizontally, correct?
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Yeah, the Vietnam era originals were made in 2:1 and 4:1 versions, denoting the resulting pattern width to height ratio.
 
Brutus said:
Winchester Supreme Premium Buckshot might be the only factory closest option maybe with copper plated pellets, buffered and magnum length?

Ballistic Products International might be the one source of loose nickel plated #4 buckshot for reloads. IIRC, this can be ordered through Wil Bilizor in Alberta.
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Winchester Supreme is good stuff, I'd bet on its Winchester XM257 ancestor still having tougher pellets if for no other reason than its being plated twice, although the pellets themselves might have been extra hard from what I dimly recall.

I've never been overly impressed with 4 buck personally, although I have to admit that I've rarely shot premium stuff in that size.
 
Wonder if badboybeeson from S&J could fabricate these, I like them but by the time you get it to Canada the price would be more than my shotgun!
 
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