The RCMP SFSS has contradicted this for both the 458 and 50 Beowulf, people have already been charged on the beowulf, the 458 is less common so I expect it is only a matter of time until someone is caught in the act on the 458
458 or 300??
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I sometimes wonder about your reading comprehension, especially since you have no problem with the written word, so much better than most of us it confuses me when you appear to conclude that you can't shoot a 458/50 because the RCMP has declared unilaterally that mags related to those particular cartridges are prohibited...I don't see anything relating to regular 223/5.56 mags. Since this latest unchecked attempt by the RCMP to extend their authority has little direct effect on me I had to do a bit of reading. Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken, but it looks like the RCMP have decided all 458/50 Beo mags are prohibited due to the ability for them to hold more than 5/10 rounds of 5.56/223, not the other way around.
The cops are getting way out of hand regarding how they hand out questionable charges. In the past if you were interacting with a detective regarding a traffic charge, you'd sit there like a dummy till a traffic car showed up to make sure the officer wasn't going to waste the courts time with a charge that had no merit. The Police/Crown are clearly and knowingly handing out charges that conflict with the RCMP's own official statements regarding various AR-15 mags. I believe any thinking person would call that harassing people by using the courts. WTF are the various associations doing with our donations? Why the hell aren't we being proactive and attacking this kind of crap in the courts?
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People have been charged with simply being in possession of beowulf mags, are you willing to gamble? I have been to court for frivolous charges before and under various prohibitions for the year I awaited trial. It took 3 appearances before a judge, each time the crown was unable to produce the evidence they claimed to have before the charges were thrown out.
If you are fine with the burdens this puts on your life and ability to remain employed go ahead. I am mearly cautioning others as the RCMP have been clear with stating 50 beo and 458 mags in their eyes are unchanged 223/556 RIFLE mags (rcmp exact wording is dual Caliber magazines) and as such must be limited to 5 rnds of 223/556 via approved methods
Brian, you keep talking with no evidence, yes you can't have a beowulf mag with out it been restricted to 5 rounds of .223, as like every ar-15 magazine that is in Canada other than the 10 shot pistol mags. Show me where a owner of a Beowulf rifle has been charged if they had more that two rounds in an pistol mags, and you can't because it does not exist. As the law clearly states, if the magazine is legal they don't care what firearms it goes in. Anyone can have a beowulf mag as long as it is pinned to 5 shots and use it in any gun they want, as the same as a pistol mag. Brian get it through you head, no where did they say that a Beowulf or 458 socom could only every have 2 rounds. They clearly stated that the 20 shot mags that they came with them were classified as dual purpose and had to be limited to 5 rounds of .223, which meant those mags could only hold 2 rounds of .458 or .50
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Read the wording is all I can say, as someone who regularly shoots a NR Beowulf and have been checked by CO's, RCMP and other police I know what I am up against and what risks I am not willing to take based off those interactions.
The assertion is there are no purpose built magazines for the 50 or 458 therefore any mag with those rounds in it will be considered dual purpose and therefore need to be limited to 5 rnds of 556/223 per RCMP SFSS
The assertion is there are no purpose built magazines for the 50 or 458 therefore any mag with those rounds in it will be considered dual purpose and therefore need to be limited to 5 rnds of 556/223 per RCMP SFSS
Brian, I think you guys are both saying the same thing. Curtis is referring to using an AR-15 LAR pistol magazine that is legally allowed to hold 10 rounds of 223 which also holds 4 rounds of 50 or 458. I think you missed the part where he stated and agreed with you that magazines marked 50 Beowulf must be limited to 5 rounds of 223 or 2 rounds of 50 or 458.
^you are working off an assumption. The mag that shipped with your rifle was a regular 223 mag and because of the gun it was shipped with and intended to be used in it was pinned to 5 rounds of 223/556 because it was deemed dual purpose given the caliber of rifle it was intended to be used in.
Now you think that taking a different 223/556 that did not ship with the rifle will not be considered "dual purpose" by the RCMP SFSS the moment you load it up and put it in your rifle? I hope you are not that naive.
Now you think that taking a different 223/556 that did not ship with the rifle will not be considered "dual purpose" by the RCMP SFSS the moment you load it up and put it in your rifle? I hope you are not that naive.
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I am talking about rifle mags, not sure where you believe I said pistol, feel free to quote me.
You still don't get 5 round capacity while using a pistol mag, not that a 223 mag will work in a 50 anyways without FTF
Again, I think we're all saying the same thing.
All rifle magazines must be pinned to 5 rounds of 223 and pistol mags must only hold 10 rounds of 223.
I own 3 AA Beowulf mags and I've set them aside until we get better clarification on whether or not I'll get in trouble for them. I don't own a 50 or 458 but if I did I'd be trying to use a LAR mag and hoping for reliability with the larger cartridge.
Take a breath everyone let's not get too carried away here, sometimes the wording is weird and needs to be read a couple times to understand what the guy is trying to say.
