Would you lease/rent a hunting dog for a day?

kodiakjack said:
You talk about letting the pooches play with the rabbits and the deer after being shot. I've heard doing that "ruins" them for the rest of the hunt because their sniffers get over saturated. Is that just an old wives tail?
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Lol..... the joke when we got our first deer over hounds last year was that, instead of hauling the deer ourselves, we should have let remmy haul it back six inches at a time....... that was "his deer"..... lol

Our hounds are older now and know the difference, but we make sure they get the scent and are rewarded with a treat associated to the scent and the kill...... something to motivate them to find the scent and help us make a successful harvest again...... plus they just damn well deserve the treat........

If they associate running down a rabbit or deer with a treat, that gives them motivation to find more...... and if they associate an unsuccessful run (never their fault), with some affection and a conventional dog treat at the end, it's win win for all of us.....

But bottom line, life is just better with dogs around and I am happy to have them regardless of game count....
 
Everybody's settling into their groups. The guys with pets that occasional chase animals, the bird dog guys who think they are god cause a dog points and the the serious houndsmen who run serious animals with serious consequences

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Pete G said:
Feel very sorry for 69firebird's dogs. They deserve better. All dogs do.
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You could have been with me today when my 11 year old hound was going nuts in the dog box cause he wasn't in on the chase. And you can have him laying in your back room right now with stitches, giving him a shot of meloxicam and some novolexin cause he got in on it after the next road crossing and caught the yote. And he loved every minute of it and it would have been mean to leave him home!!
 
69firebird said:
Everybody's settling into their groups. The guys with pets that occasional chase animals, the bird dog guys who think they are god cause a dog points and the the serious houndsmen who run serious animals with serious consequences

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69firebird said:
You could have been with me today when my 11 year old hound was going nuts in the dog box cause he wasn't in on the chase. And you can have him laying in your back room right now with stitches, giving him a shot of meloxicam and some novolexin cause he got in on it after the next road crossing and caught the yote. And he loved every minute of it and it would have been mean to leave him home!!
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You're cool... and so, so smart...
 
perception007 said:
I was just having a random thought after another unsuccessful day or jack rabbit hunting. Usually we hunt in a group so it's a little easier to cover an area.

We could definitely use the advantage of a dog. The two guys in my group who had dogs , one had to put the dog down and the other guy is too old and health complications now prevent him from coming out.

I would even rent one on my own so I could get out more by myself. I work a irregular schedule so I can get out more than my group.

What do you guys think? Good or bad idea if it existed here?

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/mans-best-friend/2011/08/would-you-consider-leasing-gun-dog
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Where are you located...I have a beagle that just loves to run! Mike
 
perception007 said:
What do you guys think? Good or bad idea if it existed here?
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Let me see...

$1000 dog (Varies depending on breed)
Member of the family
100's of hours training
$1000's in potenital vet bills if something goes wrong (or death of the dog)

Exposed to a group of people the owner has no knowledge of.

I wouldn't do it with mine..
 
Superbrad said:
Well said Pete...... what I will add is that there is a gang that runs hounds on a neighbouring property that treats them like "tools"..... keeps them kennelled outside, offers them food and water and no affection....... every year, I end up wrangling up at least two of his hounds and keeping and feeding them until they show up for them....... there is no drive for them to return to their owners as there is no affection or reward at the end of the run...... they just get lifted and crammed into the dog box on the back of the truck and on to the next run...... they are also very hard for me to wrangle up because they aren't used to coming to a human to get let and to be given a little treat.....
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This is a problem I've encountered as well.. a few bad apples spoils it for a lot of people. we had an old neighbour (moved now thank god) who did the same.. just let his hounds run free during deer season (and outside of season as well the week before).. not even bother to round them up.. we always ended up with a few at our place.. that lasted about 2 years.. on the second one we kept the dog for 2 days.. when he showed up, I told him straight up.. 1) His lack of ability to control and reound up his dogs causes problems for the neighhours and thier hunts. 2) his dog is tresspassing and !@#@!# up my hunt/stand 3) The next time it happens both the MNR and the SPCA get a call (so he can pick up his dog at the pound) 4) I'm sure the dogs where not licensed as per the regs, and where not leashed as defined in the regs. 5) Running the dogs free before the season starts is against the regs as well

lets jut say that it didn't happen since then..
 
This comes from a complete novice.

But how does renting a dog out differ than giving the dog to a trainer to be hunted over?
Outside of the fact which way the money changes wallets, it's really the same thing.
 
69firebird said:
And the whole thread has detailed cause I was the only one who got him some real help!
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Actually No.. when you define "help" as "bashing other dog owners" then all you are doing is trying to cause crap in a thread where the OP is looking for peoples opinion.

Everyone else is just expressing thier opinion to the OP but yet your the person who obviously has a bone to pick with certain dog owners, and is trying to cause problems.. the epic problem with internet forums, and your a prime example.
 
heronfish said:
This comes from a complete novice.

But how does renting a dog out differ than giving the dog to a trainer to be hunted over?
Outside of the fact which way the money changes wallets, it's really the same thing.
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Trainers are professionals...... usually certified members......

Your comparison is akin to bringing your car to a performance shop for upgrades vs letting a college student have at it in his dad's garage......
 
I can not see why not you can lease or rent a wife for the night, a dog should be even easier,
 
To the original poster I think you probably could foster a relationship with an owner where there would be trust and understanding enough so to borrow or rent a dog. I have had several dogs dropped off at my place for the express purpose of me hunting them. After they have got some game under there belts there back to owner. A breeder needs to test prospects and get feedback on a an unproven cross I have never had to pay much for a dog because of this. As well what was said before an older dog who is past prime. A good friend gave me one years ago cause she could not run with his younger dogs anymore I hunted her a couple seasons to start a couple pups. She would have been stuck in a kennel otherwise. A win win situation. Through the years shoeing horses I have seen good mutual situation of a shared lease on a horse between two and even more riders, That could also be a possibility to consider. I know there are shared leases on dogs as well.
It's obvious not many guys here would but my experience has been contrary.
 
Superbrad said:
Well said Pete...... what I will add is that there is a gang that runs hounds on a neighbouring property that treats them like "tools"..... keeps them kennelled outside, offers them food and water and no affection....... every year, I end up wrangling up at least two of his hounds and keeping and feeding them until they show up for them....... there is no drive for them to return to their owners as there is no affection or reward at the end of the run...... they just get lifted and crammed into the dog box on the back of the truck and on to the next run...... they are also very hard for me to wrangle up because they aren't used to coming to a human to get let and to be given a little treat..... our hounds have a place in camp, a bed near the woodstove and we cook for them each night..... when we get a deer, they get the bottom portion of the legs to play with and we cook up the livers of the younger deer to feed them...... and they get some heart when we cook that up as well......
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Seriously? You think hounds being lost and not being able to find their way home is because they receive no reward or affection? That statement alone discredits everything you say about hounds. Care to explain why professionals with expertly trained hounds that are treated like royalty spend thousands on tracking equipment? Shouldn't those dogs be willing to return to their loving owners every time? That said, hounds from a strong hunting lineage differ greatly from those who've been "diluted" by anthropomorphism over the generations.

A hounds reward is the opportunity to follow a hot track. Nothing makes them happier.
 
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canadian hunter312 said:
Seriously? You think hounds being lost and not being able to find their way home is because they receive no reward or affection? That statement alone discredits everything you say about hounds. Care to explain why professionals with expertly trained hounds that are treated like royalty spend thousands on tracking equipment? Shouldn't those dogs be willing to return to their loving owners every time?

A hounds reward is the opportunity to follow a hot track, hence the often uncontrollable baying, whining, and shaking. Nothing makes them happier, no matter how hard you try to anthropomorphize those hounds.
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Where did I say that?...... these dogs in question are all over my property.... when found, they have not been and are not "hot on a track" baying or excited..... simply ambling around doing nothing.......

I do agree with you though in regards to serious houndsman that put thousands of dollars of equipment on their dogs..... I can also assure you that these guys put thousands of hours into their hounds as well.....

While I don't consider myself a serious houndsman by any stretch of the imagination, our dogs are well trained, know our runs and know what to do when a run is finished so that we can get on to the next one and we can get them on another track....

As for the guys at my camp that constantly lose their dogs, I highly doubt they put any time into them and have actually never heard them call one of their hounds by a name.....
 
horshur said:
To the original poster I think you probably could foster a relationship with an owner where there would be trust and understanding enough so to borrow or rent a dog. I have had several dogs dropped off at my place for the express purpose of me hunting them. After they have got some game under there belts there back to owner. A breeder needs to test prospects and get feedback on a an unproven cross I have never had to pay much for a dog because of this. As well what was said before an older dog who is past prime. A good friend gave me one years ago cause she could not run with his younger dogs anymore I hunted her a couple seasons to start a couple pups. She would have been stuck in a kennel otherwise. A win win situation. Through the years shoeing horses I have seen good mutual situation of a shared lease on a horse between two and even more riders, That could also be a possibility to consider. I know there are shared leases on dogs as well.
It's obvious not many guys here would but my experience has been contrary.
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yes, have no problem letting people I know run my dogs in the past and vice-versa. Renting is something else and don't think I would want to get into that.
 
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