You may want to re-read the first post. perception007 is asking for our opinions.
Would you lease/rent a hunting dog for a day?
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I think he just used the wrong word with 'RENT'. When I spoke with the OP on the phone he wanted to start a relationship with someone that could show him around hounds again and hopefully turn into something where he could run those hounds. Example- older slower dogs past there prime, or young ones needing time on the ground.
And nobody cares about anybodys opinion about their PET that goes outside and hunts a few times a year. Cause clearly no one wants to rent out a pet.
All I stated originally was there are ways to HUNT a dog that you DONT have to OWN, and there are lots of guys that can help him out in that way.
And as stated before the hounds I have, live everyday to run and are not happy unless doing that, they know no different and its a shame for them to not be hunting. That is the purpose they have been bred for since George Washington was running fox, which was somewhere around 1759.
Brutus
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Not too mention, I don't think I ever met even once in my years of living in Moose Jaw, a hunter that actually required the use of dogs to hunt jack rabbits??
You think of it, jack rabbit gets pushed out of it's form at well beyond shotgun range by the dog on the prairies. Now the awakened jack is freakin hard to get to stand still for a small bore centerfire rifle shot???
Does not make any sense At All to Me.
perception007
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I am hunting in shotgun only areas and we have been pretty successful hunting with a good dog. As long as the dog can push the jack toward your direction you may have a chance. Using a centre fire rifle would be unsafe in the areas we hunt.
We don't have the open spaces you would have in the prairies. The bullet would travel too far between consessions and probably fly over a road.
Plus if we are in a apple orchard where we like to hunt we can't see each other when we post so even if we were allowed we wouldn't.
the spank
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I can assure you from experience Prairie Jacks bear absolutely no resemblance whatsoever to the European Hares (Jacks) of southern Ontario. European Hares are larger and do not like to get out of dodge unless they have to and once they are pushed from cover they can be out of range before you can get your gun mounted to your shoulder. They are fast and typically do not stop to look back at what busted them out but keep going to the next farm bush lot. Hunting dogs are an asset for European Hare hunting. Also they do not turn white in winter. The jacks out here are quite dumb running a few yards, stopping to look around and often running right back at you after running 50-60 yards away and often run at the sight or sound of anything approaching. We have lots of them at work. They are quite entertaining at times.
oh for sure, the dogs just want to run. I have taken many dogs out to train or just run who were not owned by me or even familiar with me.
They don't care and even through I was strange to them they will smell me carefully and always come back to me. At least most of the time.
I love hounds and hesitate to give say a real good dog to a stranger is all I'm saying.
canadian hunter312
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Hmmmm.....lol.
My walker hound x beagle is from very strong hunting lineage. Eats premium food, has a $100 bed, is very well trained, has separation anxiety when she's away from our other dog and is an overall sissy because she's been pampered so much. But, all that is quickly forgotten as soon as there's a hot rabbit or deer track. She turns into an unstoppable tracking machine. I guess you could say she is living proof dogs can be bipolar.
It would be amazing if we could run hounds here for deer. It's almost a waste of such an excellent dog by limiting her to rabbits.
Saying there is no drive for a dog to return to it's owners at the end of a run is a far cry from what you said below:
Fwiw, my opinion of why the dogs are lost and running all over my property is because their owners are lazy POS that can't be bothered looking for or waiting for their dog at the end of the run...... hell, I have texted them to let them know I have them wrangler up and had the bastaadds take 2-3 days to come get them because they were too busy running properties at the other end of the county....
Fwiw, my opinion of why the dogs are lost and running all over my property is because their owners are lazy POS that can't be bothered looking for or waiting for their dog at the end of the run...... hell, I have texted them to let them know I have them wrangler up and had the bastaadds take 2-3 days to come get them because they were too busy running properties at the other end of the county....
canadian hunter312
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How is it a far cry when YOU are the one who said affection and reward will drive a dog to return to it's owner? You're the one suggesting such nonsense, not me. Following your logic, dogs who're treated like royalty should be driven to stay with or return to their owners, yet thousands of hunting and non hunting dogs run away every year despite being spoiled rotten.
I guess you better write a book because you've apparently discovered the secret to not losing hounds. You could save hounds men thousands on tracking equipment by letting them know all they need to do is give a few hugs and treats to ensure their dogs return. Think of all those lost hounds over the years who would've returned home if only their owner would have given some hugs and kisses.
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the spank
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Well this thread has sure become a trash bin of emotion and undignified comments aimed at a few individuals. I am no houndsmen, never owned one but have hunted over friends hounds a few times in my life and come across many other groups running them during deer hunts, fur hunts and small game hunts years ago. From what I could see in my experience the little guys like beagles semed to be much more of a pet owners hunting dog in that they seem more people oriented? The bigger faster dogs from what I saw seemed to need tracking devices and a combination of handlers and hunters radio equipped to keep track of them simply because they were so much quicker and it appeared to me as well, head strong. The bigger breeds to me never seemed to be people oriented, they had one goal in mind, chase the quarry to the ends of the earth. They always looked to me like an awful handful to deal with and I have to say they never struck me as being the kind of dog that made a pet. They come off to me as being all business.
I can't speak for hounds, but my Drahthaar acts like he is bipolar. When in the home or yard he is just a big playful pet, but once he is out hunting, it's like he is a different dog. All of a sudden, all that matters to him is finding more birds, and he never wants to leave the field to go home.
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you dont know the dog and thats when "accidents" happen
I have owned and run beagles and black and tan coon hounds and one Walker... they are "business," but they are as affectionate as any other breed that I have had, including goldens, labs and springers... the bigger hounds tend to be boney and more awkward to have on you while watching TV than say a springer, which are floppier than cats... so I suspect that hounds don't get as much of that sort of attention. On the other hand, hounds are not generally hyper, like a lab or springer is, hounds have two speeds running/baying "full-out" and "comatose." Nothing better than a black and tan at your knee beside the woodstove after a day of crashing through cedar swamps... their head on your knee and big, soulful eyes staring into your face.
Brutus
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Well, that explains a lot about this thread. European Hares are not jack rabbits. They may be big in size, but they are not white tailed or black tailed jack rabbits.
