Manitoba minister won't say whether ban on night hunting is on the table
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The issue flared up last week when Premier Brian Pallister said the tension is leading to a "race war."
"Young indigenous guys going out and shootin' a bunch of moose 'cause they can, 'cause they say it's their right, doesn't make any sense to me," he said in a speech in Virden. "This is a poor practice. A dumb practice ... It should stop.
"So what are we doing? We're organizing to bring indigenous people together and say the same thing I just said to ya, 'cause it's becoming a race war and I don't want that."
CBC article I'm guessing? Typical leftard media spin. Trying to make Pallister sound like a redneck using quoted words like "shootin' ", " 'cause" and "ya". Give me a break, the guy's not Texan.
"Young indigenous guys going out and shootin' a bunch of moose 'cause they can, 'cause they say it's their right, doesn't make any sense to me," he said in a speech in Virden. "This is a poor practice. A dumb practice ... It should stop.
"So what are we doing? We're organizing to bring indigenous people together and say the same thing I just said to ya, 'cause it's becoming a race war and I don't want that."
CBC article I'm guessing? Typical leftard media spin. Trying to make Pallister sound like a redneck using quoted words like "shootin' ", " 'cause" and "ya". Give me a break, the guy's not Texan.
No balls to make a stand on safety.
Anybody that would say it is unsafe hunt at night must be a racist.
With a dozen of your children working the land ,
I would think my ancestors had a spotlight and a gun at the same time anybody else did.
So hunting shadows at night must be part of my heritage .
Anybody that would say it is unsafe hunt at night must be a racist.
With a dozen of your children working the land ,
I would think my ancestors had a spotlight and a gun at the same time anybody else did.
So hunting shadows at night must be part of my heritage .
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you could probably go to a main street bar and buy a quarter of a moose for a box of beer nowadays. i'm within city limits butjust outside the perimeter hwy and found an arrow near my mailbox from poachers taking deer and turkeys
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Province urged to crack down on night hunting
By: Bill Redekop
Posted: 11/23/2016 7:15 PM | Last Modified: 11/23/2016 10:14 PM
The slaughter of big game and livestock by night hunters in western Manitoba isn’t abating despite triple the number of illegal hunting charges compared with previous years.
Two more purebred cattle were shot and killed on farms north of Virden Monday and Tuesday night, allegedly by night hunters. It’s suspected the cattle were mistaken for big game and shot accidentally.
"It’s almost like the Wild West show in areas of rural Manitoba," said Diane Woodworth, chief administrator for the Municipality of Brenda-Waskada in southwestern Manitoba.
Woodworth was referring to nighthunting using spotlights to blind animals so they make for an easy kill and hunting on private property without permission.
Those two infractions usually go together. Landowners in southwestern Manitoba are hearing shots at 2 a.m., headlights or spotlights flashing across their windows, and finding damaged fields, bullet holes in equipment and dead farm animals the next morning.
That’s in addition to finding big game carcasses. Woodworth said her neighbours recently found a three-year-old moose gutted on their property. "We’ve got guys gutting deer in the middle of our cows, and they didn’t have permission," she said.
"These guys come out (at night) and drive around farm fields in their half-ton trucks around every bluff. Honking their horns is their idea of pushing bush," she said.
"I’m not against hunting. I like to eat meat. But I want everyone to give the game a sporting chance," she said.
Sixteen representatives from four municipalities on the west side of the province voiced their concerns in a meeting late Tuesday with Sustainability Minister Cathy Cox at the annual meeting of the Association of Manitoba Municipalities.
The group was allotted half an hour and were pleased when Cox gave them a full hour. The four municipalities were Sifton, Whitehead, Grasslands and Souris-Glenwood.
At issue are property rights, safety and the threat to wildlife, especially moose. Moose are on the verge of extinction in southwestern Manitoba, said Scott Phillips, councillor for the RM of Sifton. He blames illegal night hunting.
"The moose are going the way of mammoths. They’re going to be gone. They’re going to be mythical creatures in our province," Phillips said.
Cox told the Free Press her department has taken several measures against illegal hunting, including relocating extra officers into problem areas for enforcement.
"We’ve had more blitzes, more air surveillance, and we’ve increased decoy operations," she said. "We’re really out there, and it’s really a concern for us."
That has resulted in 41 charges for illegal hunting and the seizure of 12 vehicles. Charges for the previous nine years average just 14 per year.
The group that met with Cox is seeking actions on three fronts: eliminate all night hunting, ban moose hunting in southwestern Manitoba for five years to allow the population to recover and add wildlife respect and hunter education to the public school curriculum.
Cox said her government plans to enhance public safety, develop an awareness program and enter formal consultations with interested parties about what more can be done.
Stepped-up enforcement could put the province on a collision course with Manitoba First Nations.
Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs Grand Chief Derek Nepinak issued a statement this month threatening a court challenge if treaty members are charged for hunting on private land. Nepinak suggested First Nations rights supersede the rights of property owners.
"The settler community needs to understand the limits of notions of private property in treaty lands," Nepinak said in the prepared statement.
"The concept of private property is limited by Crown obligations not only to pay taxes on the lands under title, but also to not interfere with indigenous treaty hunters in the carrying out of their vocation of hunting safely," he said.
Cox stressed there will be consultations with all parties, including First Nations, before any action is taken.
Phillips said hunting complaints are not directed at First Nations people. The Supreme Court has ruled they have both the constitutional right to hunt without a licence and to hunt at night. Phillips said illegal hunting spiked when the oilpatch was booming.
Night hunting is extremely dangerous. Two indigenous men have been accidentally shot and killed by friendly fire in recent years.
Most recently, a 24-year-old man from Sioux Valley First Nation was fatally shot by a member of his hunting party. A fellow hunter shot the young man, who had gone onto private property to hunt without the landowner’s permission.
A man from Sagkeeng First Nation was killed by gunfire while hunting several years ago.
bill.redekop@freepress.mb.ca
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/lo...ting-rampant-in-rural-manitoba-402783526.html
By: Bill Redekop
Posted: 11/23/2016 7:15 PM | Last Modified: 11/23/2016 10:14 PM
The slaughter of big game and livestock by night hunters in western Manitoba isn’t abating despite triple the number of illegal hunting charges compared with previous years.
Two more purebred cattle were shot and killed on farms north of Virden Monday and Tuesday night, allegedly by night hunters. It’s suspected the cattle were mistaken for big game and shot accidentally.
"It’s almost like the Wild West show in areas of rural Manitoba," said Diane Woodworth, chief administrator for the Municipality of Brenda-Waskada in southwestern Manitoba.
Woodworth was referring to nighthunting using spotlights to blind animals so they make for an easy kill and hunting on private property without permission.
Those two infractions usually go together. Landowners in southwestern Manitoba are hearing shots at 2 a.m., headlights or spotlights flashing across their windows, and finding damaged fields, bullet holes in equipment and dead farm animals the next morning.
That’s in addition to finding big game carcasses. Woodworth said her neighbours recently found a three-year-old moose gutted on their property. "We’ve got guys gutting deer in the middle of our cows, and they didn’t have permission," she said.
"These guys come out (at night) and drive around farm fields in their half-ton trucks around every bluff. Honking their horns is their idea of pushing bush," she said.
"I’m not against hunting. I like to eat meat. But I want everyone to give the game a sporting chance," she said.
Sixteen representatives from four municipalities on the west side of the province voiced their concerns in a meeting late Tuesday with Sustainability Minister Cathy Cox at the annual meeting of the Association of Manitoba Municipalities.
The group was allotted half an hour and were pleased when Cox gave them a full hour. The four municipalities were Sifton, Whitehead, Grasslands and Souris-Glenwood.
At issue are property rights, safety and the threat to wildlife, especially moose. Moose are on the verge of extinction in southwestern Manitoba, said Scott Phillips, councillor for the RM of Sifton. He blames illegal night hunting.
"The moose are going the way of mammoths. They’re going to be gone. They’re going to be mythical creatures in our province," Phillips said.
Cox told the Free Press her department has taken several measures against illegal hunting, including relocating extra officers into problem areas for enforcement.
"We’ve had more blitzes, more air surveillance, and we’ve increased decoy operations," she said. "We’re really out there, and it’s really a concern for us."
That has resulted in 41 charges for illegal hunting and the seizure of 12 vehicles. Charges for the previous nine years average just 14 per year.
The group that met with Cox is seeking actions on three fronts: eliminate all night hunting, ban moose hunting in southwestern Manitoba for five years to allow the population to recover and add wildlife respect and hunter education to the public school curriculum.
Cox said her government plans to enhance public safety, develop an awareness program and enter formal consultations with interested parties about what more can be done.
Stepped-up enforcement could put the province on a collision course with Manitoba First Nations.
Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs Grand Chief Derek Nepinak issued a statement this month threatening a court challenge if treaty members are charged for hunting on private land. Nepinak suggested First Nations rights supersede the rights of property owners.
"The settler community needs to understand the limits of notions of private property in treaty lands," Nepinak said in the prepared statement.
"The concept of private property is limited by Crown obligations not only to pay taxes on the lands under title, but also to not interfere with indigenous treaty hunters in the carrying out of their vocation of hunting safely," he said.
Cox stressed there will be consultations with all parties, including First Nations, before any action is taken.
Phillips said hunting complaints are not directed at First Nations people. The Supreme Court has ruled they have both the constitutional right to hunt without a licence and to hunt at night. Phillips said illegal hunting spiked when the oilpatch was booming.
Night hunting is extremely dangerous. Two indigenous men have been accidentally shot and killed by friendly fire in recent years.
Most recently, a 24-year-old man from Sioux Valley First Nation was fatally shot by a member of his hunting party. A fellow hunter shot the young man, who had gone onto private property to hunt without the landowner’s permission.
A man from Sagkeeng First Nation was killed by gunfire while hunting several years ago.
bill.redekop@freepress.mb.ca
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/lo...ting-rampant-in-rural-manitoba-402783526.html
Shooting cattle at night should be dealt with the same as a wolf or coyote was killing livestock. Someone should let these yahoos know that if they continually destroy people's livelihood there will be not be anymore government money coming to them in the form of hard working people's tax dollars.
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We should all be governed by the same game laws including a ban on night hunting . The problem is , Aboriginals are among the most politically and economically powerful groups in the country and no Gov't wants to take them on.
Somewhat off topic, but it makes you laugh and sick to your stomach at the same time. Example the Alberta ATV ban last year, or the year before, I forget, but long story short, banned for everyone but aboriginals exercising their traditional rights. On their traditional ATVs of course.
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Somewhat off topic, but it makes you laugh and sick to your stomach at the same time. Example the Alberta ATV ban last year, or the year before, I forget, but long story short, banned for everyone but aboriginals exercising their traditional rights. On their traditional ATVs of course.
It's the same here.
"Recognizing the Treaty and Constitutional rights of Indian people, Manitoba Conservation and Water Stewardship considers that status Indian hunters:
do not require licences;
are not restricted to specific seasons or hours;
are not restricted to bag limits; and
are not subject to equipment restrictions such as the use of off-road vehicles."
http://www.gov.mb.ca/sd/wildlife/hunting/firstnations.html
I agree that racism works both ways, you definitely shouldn't be able to give a people group any MORE or any LESS rights and privileges than any other based on the colour of their skin or their ancestry. The large number of people who can go out and shoot moose whenever they feel like it "because they can" is certainly affecting populations as it significantly impacts the population control estimations. Lets say you have an area that supports 10,000 moose, and after taking into consideration predation, environmental factors, ect, 1,000 moose can be harvested by hunters in the fall hunting season and the population can still remain stable... and then you add in a random number of people out of the 150k natives in Manitoba who can go harvest an animal pretty much wherever and whenever they want. Now estimate how many tags can be given out to maintain a healthy moose population. You can't.
As Canadians living in the same country, we should be under the same laws and regulations with the same rights and privileges. I have a big problem with the government feeding the entitlement that stems from old and bad legislation and a complete lack of foresight into what the future consequences of it would be, and the practical impossibility of "bringing them down" per se to the level of everyone else, which if possible would have an almost guaranteed decrease in crime rates and poverty and would increase quality of living across the spectrum.
Your family was here for generations hunting the land? That's cool! Mine came over on a boat because we heard the farming was great! (There shouldn't even be an 'us' or 'them', it should just be 'Canadians')
As Canadians living in the same country, we should be under the same laws and regulations with the same rights and privileges. I have a big problem with the government feeding the entitlement that stems from old and bad legislation and a complete lack of foresight into what the future consequences of it would be, and the practical impossibility of "bringing them down" per se to the level of everyone else, which if possible would have an almost guaranteed decrease in crime rates and poverty and would increase quality of living across the spectrum.
Your family was here for generations hunting the land? That's cool! Mine came over on a boat because we heard the farming was great! (There shouldn't even be an 'us' or 'them', it should just be 'Canadians')
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And now add the metis with the harvest card...
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I say let em hunt at night if that''s what their tradition is, as long as they use their traditional tools and methods.
No trucks, lights, or rifles allowed.
You wanna use white mans tools, you follow the white mans rules!
No trucks, lights, or rifles allowed.
You wanna use white mans tools, you follow the white mans rules!
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The logic is that it would provide an excuse for poachers actually after game animals.
Some of us would set up properly and be cautious enough, but most folks shooting at night would be a recipe for disaster.
Would sure help put a dent in the W population around here...
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Ditto on that...
