Steel Core Ammunition on our Range

[Rob!]

I know this thread is about steel core, but the "spray and pray" is a closely related issue. I recently asked permission at my range to do some 50 yard groups with my 1911. Nope. No pistols allowed on the 50 yard range. Most people can't hit the backstop.

Rob!

 

[1newgunnut]

I have no issue NOT using steel core at an indoor range. Sensible rule if you ask me.

 

[bridgman]

Most people can't hit the backstop.

That is disturbing in all kinds of ways. I guess that's why baffles are becoming the norm these days.

 

[GeoTrekr]

Hi JR

Did the rules recently change on the bimetallic lead core stuff? is this allowed?

x2

It would be good to confirm if mild steel jackets are now ok?

 

[FyreFighter]

Who the hell uses steel jacketed bullets?

Or do you mean steel cased bullets?

If the former, your barrel will be worn out quickly and if the latter, who cares? It doesn't really leave the firing line.

FF

 

[Mrrasta]

Post a rule that all ammo is to be checked before a lane is assigned.

 

[quinnbrian]

Do a per check on the board there on...sign them in and ....check and sign them out ...if there no damage!! if there's damage, make them pay!! through the A$$ , and ban them...as a group if need be. It cost way..too much money to keep a indoor range going. And this shouldn't be parts of the cost " of doing business "
Cheers
B

 

[A_guy]

Charge with what offense? Section 86[1] Careless use of a firearm; 430[1] Mischief

If it's my premises (it's not), and I say you need to wear a red shirt and blue corduroy pants to use my facility, then that's what you do if you want to use it. If I say no steel core ammunition because I don't like the sound it makes, or the mess it leaves or just because I felt like making that rule, then you don't shoot steel core ammunition. You don't get to make the rules - if you don't like them, don't enter.

I never cease to be amazed by the level of self-entitlement people posses (this that and all generations).

 

[A_guy]

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[GeoTrekr]

Who the hell uses steel jacketed bullets?

Or do you mean steel cased bullets?

If the former, your barrel will be worn out quickly and if the latter, who cares? It doesn't really leave the firing line.

FF

Norinco, such as the ammo pictured above, and all military surplus I've seen has a mild steel jacket (magnet sticks to the bullet). Lead-core 7.62x39 without steel in the jacket is a rare find.

Not talking about the steel CARTRIDGE case , as that wouldn't matter for the backstop.

What it appears was stated earlier in the thread was that steel jacketed bullets with a lead core are allowed at TSE, and a few of us would like that clarified, as there is a lot of lead-core steel-jacketed ammo out there, which I, along with many others, have been refraining from taking to TSE.

 

[TSE JR]

x2

It would be good to confirm if mild steel jackets are now ok?

Guys,

I do not care what the case is made of, only the projectile....

Lead core is fine and bi-metal jackets are equally fine.

Steel core is not.

If a magnet sticks, all you have to do is give up one round and the gunsmith will grind it open.... if it's lead core throughout, you can shoot it.

If there is any steel in the core, you cannot.

I will once again brief the staff to help aleviate issues.

JR

 

[easyrider604]

Did not bother to read the entire thread, the first page alone made me sick.

Sorry, but you can't fix stupid!

 

[GeoTrekr]

Guys,

I do not care what the case is made of, only the projectile....

Lead core is fine and bi-metal jackets are equally fine.

Steel core is not.

If a magnet sticks, all you have to do is give up one round and the gunsmith will grind it open.... if it's lead core throughout, you can shoot it.

If there is any steel in the core, you cannot.

I will once again brief the staff to help aleviate issues.

JR

Excellent, thank you!

 

[Meroh]

Thanks for posting this. It's unfortunate that selfishness and a clear lack of imagination seems to make some humans think they are special or somehow excused from rules or exercising common sense, respect and courtesy.

At the range, at work, on the roads and highways, this attitude is the norm of late.

 

[calgaryrockstar]

why can't the edge reinforce the backstop to take all ammo like the shooting centre? is it an expensive upgrade?

 

[FyreFighter]

Because instead of plain old steel, you need armor plate.

 

[lintocs]

Fairness

Wrong. You pull the trigger, you are responsible. No exceptions.

We've all seen vendors sell steel core ammo as TMJ lead core... I bought some from a sponsoring vendor here. I use an outdoor range with an earthen backstop, so it didn't affect me any.

I'm thinking you could prevent damage at the range with some well stacked sandbags along the backwall, perhaps 3-5 foot thick. I'd also suggest mounting a magnet at each shooting station with a sign about doing a magnet test.

 

[kablam]

I'm not sure what options exist for further shrapnel and damage mitigation in the bays or if they are cost effective.

Nonetheless banning certain ammunition is up to the service provider - at the risk of losing potential customers and sales, of course.

Sadly what the photos show is intentional vandalism. Someone shooting *at* the target carrier is not going to care about a magnetism check.

 

[Rob!]

I know this thread is about steel core, but the "spray and pray" is a closely related issue. I recently asked permission at my range to do some 50 yard groups with my 1911. Nope. No pistols allowed on the 50 yard range. Most people can't hit the backstop.

Rob!

...and just to update that, the range is now considering authorizing 50 yard pistol conditional on training and demonstrated competence.

 

[SIGNUT]

We've all seen vendors sell steel core ammo as TMJ lead core..

I'm not certain what you are trying to say here, but the liability lies upon the one who pulls the trigger. I am slightly terrified how many people here seem to not understand this.