New NF ATACR 7-35x56 F1 Mil-R - pics at #6

[Tomochan]

Understanding that the "This Thread is Worthless Without Pics" Nazis will be soon to add their value I thought I'd share some initial thoughts on this scope for those who like me until this morning were thinking of this scope. For me it was get the new ATACR with the 35x top end or get another Razor HD Gen II with a 27x max and this morning the greater max magnification won out.

Side by side with my S+B PMii 5-25 for comparison I shot a dozen or so rounds of .308 out of the PGW Coyote that carried this new NF. Shots were at 25m to get on paper, 100m to establish zero, 200m and 300m.The light was crappy and, obviously, not going to get better but my thoughts are: Reticle is a wee bit thicker than I'd like and not as nice IMO as the EBR 2-c on my Razor but every bit as good as the P4F on the S+B, Turrets are excellent and the lettering helps old guys like me; illumination - neat, two colors and easy to operate but this is rarely if ever a feature I will use; zero stop as per usual with NF and same as NXS rather than the infinite zero of the Razor and glass.... well if in other areas I feel it gives up a tad to the Razor it ain't giving up anything in the glass department and in rapidly fading light I could pick out .308 holes at 300m at a point past where my S+B had given up. Very, very nice.

In the next few weeks I will be doing a proper comparison and review and will post a link (with a pic or two ) here.

Shout out to my friend Omer at Plainsight Solutions in Quesnel BC for the great service as usual !!

Bob

 

[Movado]

Impatiently waiting for the full review.
Thanks

 

[MrSharp]

Me too, I have the 5-25 F1 ATACR, and been looking at the new 7-35 just not sure I can swallow the price difference it would cost me if I were to get one and sell mine for the extra magnification I likely don't need, but hey what does need have to do with this hobby LOL.

 

[Tomochan]

Me too, I have the 5-25 F1 ATACR, and been looking at the new 7-35 just not sure I can swallow the price difference it would cost me if I were to get one and sell mine for the extra magnification I likely don't need, but hey what does need have to do with this hobby LOL.

I hear you - I was going to get another Razor Gen II but was sold on the 35x. So, YOLO Mr. Sharp, YOLO

 

[MrSharp]

I hear you - I was going to get another Razor Gen II but was sold on the 35x. So, YOLO Mr. Sharp, YOLO

Going to be an expensive year I tell you lol.

 

[Tomochan]

Going to be an expensive year I tell you lol.

Here is a couple of teaser shots for you:

 

[CroqueMort]

look very nice.

 

[Nubuun]

It looks like the shade is a slightly diffrent colour than the body

 

[Canuck525]

I'm anxious to hear your further thoughts on this scope. I was going to get another TT but this one looks very very interesting.......

 

[Stormchaser]

That's better than a ######! Great looking gun!

 

[Tomochan]

I'm anxious to hear your further thoughts on this scope. I was going to get another TT but this one looks very very interesting.......

Based on only one afternoon of shooting but quite a lot of observation side by side with my PM ii and Razor Gen II the glass is very nice - each of the others has some features I prefer but the glass is, to my eyes, the best of the three.

To the other poster re the sunshade, yes indeed there is a slight color difference between the shade and scope body.

 

[Mystic Precision]

Why would they use a 12 unit turret... ARRGGGHHHH.

Jerry

 

[Tomochan]

Why would they use a 12 unit turret... ARRGGGHHHH.

Jerry

Oh Jerry - we all know you hate things you are not a dealer for LOL !!

On a more serious note, there are things that each of the high end scopes have going for them and there are things that are demerits ( like, eg, the friggin weight of the Razor, tunneling of the S+B and sheer exorbitance of the price of the TT ) and the NF will be no different; there will be some good and some not so good. After more time behind this glass I'll be able to put a relative value on what I like and what I don't.

 

[Mystic Precision]

Oh Jerry - we all know you hate things you are not a dealer for LOL !!

On a more serious note, there are things that each of the high end scopes have going for them and there are things that are demerits ( like, eg, the friggin weight of the Razor, tunneling of the S+B and sheer exorbitance of the price of the TT ) and the NF will be no different; there will be some good and some not so good. After more time behind this glass I'll be able to put a relative value on what I like and what I don't.

Assuming this in jest... cause you have met me a few times to know that I shoot alot, test a ton and get to share info with some top shooters. My recommendations are based on what I have used and compete with.

Lots of stuff I recommend, I do not sell... lots of stuff I could sell, I do not recommend so...

Tell me how a base 12 scope dial is going to be helpful after the first revolution and all the numbers get jumbled up? After that first revolution, the "8" actually means 20... next revolution, that "8" now means what exactly????

I can only assume NF designed this scope for a "tactical" or LR type end user and that the elevation turrent goes around more then once?

I am critical of ANY scope where the turret markings can lead to confusion... and given how we are taught math, I would prefer a base 10 dial or the very least a multiple of 5. Best would be something like the TT where you just read the number and rotation indicator and you KNOW what your come up is. No math, no guessing, no mistakes... simple... and simple is good.

YMMV.

Jerry

 

[Tomochan]

The "lol" was an indication of jest

 

[Kidd X]

Why would they use a 12 unit turret... ARRGGGHHHH.

Jerry

With a 100 metre yero on a 308 12 MILS gets you to 1000 metres. Add in the 10 or so mils on the reticle and you're at 1300 metres with only one revolution. The 12 seems kind of odd but spinning knobs and shooting distance is not a speed game.

 

[Mystic Precision]

With a 100 metre yero on a 308 12 MILS gets you to 1000 metres. Add in the 10 or so mils on the reticle and you're at 1300 metres with only one revolution. The 12 seems kind of odd but spinning knobs and shooting distance is not a speed game.

today, there are a few very popular LR shooting games where you will be shooting on the clock so speed, ease of use and simplicity become paramount. You rarely shoot at a whole number target as you would on a square range. So you have to dial for a 1165yd shot (or a 1540yds as was a recent stage at a big event).... would you really want to have to do mental gymnastics on the come up values when you already have a ton of things to worry about? And this is one of 4 targets you have to engage at various distances, from a few firing positions, all under 2 1/2 mins

As shooting sports goes, PRS is the fastest growing LR sport and the industry support has been stunning. Why miss out on a growing market?

ELR shooting is also gaining popularity and although not done on the clock, doing a mental oops on what the turret value is will not lead to much success. Some consider 1 mile as a start and head out to 2... MILES. So I need 39 mrads total for my next target and I am currently at 3... that is 9 units takes me to 12, then another rev takes me to 24, then another which takes me to 36 and then I need another 3. Now you need to dial down to 27mrads and you better remember that the "3" you are looking at is actually a NINE... hope your zero stop is working.

Or would you prefer to spin "0", 2 more revs and then dial to 4...34 units... DONE. Need to now go to 27... yes, the math and turret markings are straight forward... back to "7".. DONE.

I am sure there will be plenty of shooters that will not need to go more then 1 revolution but why create such an obvious handicap???? Can't think of another base 4 scope manf today... anyone see another with 4, 8 or 12 units per rev?

Jerry

 

[Kidd X]

today, there are a few very popular LR shooting games where you will be shooting on the clock so speed, ease of use and simplicity become paramount. You rarely shoot at a whole number target as you would on a square range. So you have to dial for a 1165yd shot (or a 1540yds as was a recent stage at a big event).... would you really want to have to do mental gymnastics on the come up values when you already have a ton of things to worry about? And this is one of 4 targets you have to engage at various distances, from a few firing positions, all under 2 1/2 mins

As shooting sports goes, PRS is the fastest growing LR sport and the industry support has been stunning. Why miss out on a growing market?

ELR shooting is also gaining popularity and although not done on the clock, doing a mental oops on what the turret value is will not lead to much success. Some consider 1 mile as a start and head out to 2... MILES. So I need 39 mrads total for my next target and I am currently at 3... that is 9 units takes me to 12, then another rev takes me to 24, then another which takes me to 36 and then I need another 3. Now you need to dial down to 27mrads and you better remember that the "3" you are looking at is actually a NINE... hope your zero stop is working.

Or would you prefer to spin "0", 2 more revs and then dial to 4...34 units... DONE. Need to now go to 27... yes, the math and turret markings are straight forward... back to "7".. DONE.

I am sure there will be plenty of shooters that will not need to go more then 1 revolution but why create such an obvious handicap???? Can't think of another base 4 scope manf today... anyone see another with 4, 8 or 12 units per rev?

Jerry

I see what you're saying, either way you still need to be well versed in dialing but I can see a base ten turret being a little easier.

 

[Bile]

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[MrSharp]

Is the windage capped?

I assume the eyepiece complete still spins on power change? That has always been my deal breaker with nf.

Windage has a cap but you can run it without and install a included thread protector ring if wanted, I also thought why on the way the complete eye piece turning thing and was a negative to me, but after actually owning one it became a non issue, the ATACR's come with tenebraex flip caps that ratchet or snap off and don't end up in the way so even if you want to run the caps its not much of an issue to be a deal breaker.