required length of barrel for trap and skeet?

[JIMMY 808]

....I can not seem to find any rules for barrel length for competition..but I guess if you want to shoot your tactical 8 inch barrel with a door breach...all to ya!!.

Our range has ammo rules,no barrel length.Anyone who does bring their bear gun usually lasts a round before blood on their cheek.By that time we offer our personal guns to try...and in most cases we just converted another YOUNG trap shooter in this sport.

I shoot a semi....I feel the pain of trap shooting elite.




To many grumpy pants .....

Got to respect the tacticool takes some balls to even get out of the truck when your new and there really isn't much difference with the duck hunters that come out twice a year. Many a fella never got past the parking lot.

I am the intimidating one to them not the other way around!

Being a good ambasator like oops is the right way to go about it.

 

[the spank]

Got to respect the tacticool takes some balls to even get out of the truck when your new and there really isn't much difference with the duck hunters that come out twice a year. Many a fella never got past the parking lot.

I am the intimidating one to them not the other way around!

Being a good ambasator like oops is the right way to go about it.

I am always friendly and welcoming but no longer try to assist. Had the end of my nose bitten off one time too many by warriors who couldn't see I was just trying to offer friendly advice. In fact I never tell anyone their gun is no good but if they asked why they were struggling pointed out the many things including a gun better suited to the task and by that I mean by design not price but no matter how much you sugar coat that aspect 99% of the tacticool shooters get indignant about their gun falling short for the game. So now I find it better to just sit on the sidelines and watch the pain and frustration levels build and hope they figure it out on their own. I have lent out my own gun often in the past but no longer do that any more either. Now I just offer to let fellow enthusiasts try it when they show interest in it.

 

[Claybuster]

Got to respect the tacticool takes some balls to even get out of the truck when your new and there really isn't much difference with the duck hunters that come out twice a year. Many a fella never got past the parking lot.

I am the intimidating one to them not the other way around!

Being a good ambasator like oops is the right way to go about it.

Show up with an interest to learn, a willingness to follow the rules and a reasonable attitude and we'll get along just fine no matter what gun you are using. If you are struggling with your gun I'll lend you mine.

Arrive with a tactical operator attitude, know-it-all-approach and want to argue every rule then be on your way. Yes, the two shells, empty and open when changing stations and don't point your gun just anywhere applies to you too.

Even the very best ambassadors become unfriendly when dealing with dicks.

 

[JIMMY 808]

Show up with an interest to learn, a willingness to follow the rules and a reasonable attitude and we'll get along just fine no matter what gun you are using. If you are struggling with your gun I'll lend you mine.

Arrive with a tactical operator attitude, know-it-all-approach and want to argue every rule then be on your way. Yes, the two shells, empty and open when changing stations and don't point your gun just anywhere applies to you too.




Even the very best ambassadors become unfriendly when dealing with dicks.

Doing anything unsafe should be corrected that is just a given.

Most troublesome for me is how the 55 plus crowd thinks its apporpite to treat scoresrs explaining to old deaf twits that if they didn't shoot 34s on doubles the poor kid wouldn't need an abacus at the end of every post.

tactical operaters duck hunters just need a chance is all.

 

[the spank]

Doing anything unsafe should be corrected that is just a given.

Most troublesome for me is how the 55 plus crowd thinks its apporpite to treat scoresrs explaining to old deaf twits that if they didn't shoot 34s on doubles the poor kid wouldn't need an abacus at the end of every post.

tactical operaters duck hunters just need a chance is all.

What a demanding job to count all those little "o" marks then subtract that from 50 to add up the score!! Imagine years ago when they had to "pull" the target by pushing the button on the release cord at the shooters call plus keep the score?! The horror!!

 

[JIMMY 808]

What a demanding job to count all those little "o" marks then subtract that from 50 to add up the score!! Imagine years ago when they had to "pull" the target by pushing the button on the release cord at the shooters call plus keep the score?! The horror!!

Got it treat kid score keepers like crap!!




Having been involved with throwing shoots and organizing help as you likely have as well there is no need for the way some treat kids or maybe a wife of a fellow shooter that gets wrangled into helping.

 

[bdft]

This seems to be the prevailing attitude at ranges these days. "I'm a big time trap/skeet/sporting clays shooter and you're not. And you suck." Those young guys (and girls) scoring that some people seem to hold in such contempt might be trap shooters one day. Probably not because they see all the old farts as miserable old coots. Who would want to be part of that. If the sport is going to continue then some younger people are going to have to be encouraged to join in.

 

[stubblejumper]

This seems to be the prevailing attitude at ranges these days. "I'm a big time trap/skeet/sporting clays shooter and you're not. And you suck." Those young guys (and girls) scoring that some people seem to hold in such contempt might be trap shooters one day. Probably not because they see all the old farts as miserable old coots. Who would want to be part of that. If the sport is going to continue then some younger people are going to have to be encouraged to join in.

I haven't found that to be the case at my present or previous range. At both ranges, the shooters shoot for the fun of it, even though most of the shooters at my present range did compete years ago. We don't even bother with keeping score at either range.

 

[bmcoup]

After a person tries one of these short tactical shotguns on a skeet field and only hit 3 or 4 targets, they usually will ask why. Usually about that time, they come to realize that a tactical shotgun damn near useless for any practical use. They then look at the fork in the road and decide whether they want to learn to shoot better with the proper tool or hang on to a shotgun that has no practical application until the apocalypse. Generally speaking, the tacticool shotgun ends up on the EE when they get home and they are in search of a decent target gun or field gun. The odd elite shooter at our club will show up with a Winchester Defender or Norinco 1897 for a bit of fun, they typically will drop about 4 or 5 targets, have a laugh, then dig out their target gun and go back shooting seriously.

May be more the shooter, I'm not anywhere as good as some in my club but on a good day miss 3 or 4 out of 25 with my versamax tactical and don't do much better with the auto5 or the 1100

 

[bmcoup]

At the time the club didn't care what gun you used. Personally I don't care what gun anyone is using as long as it is being used safely and the shooter is following the rules. The problem however is that too often a tactical shotgun is accompanied by an wannabe tough-guy "operator" attitude, a casual attention to muzzle direction and a tendency toward belligerence when minor rule infractions are pointed out to them. Just because your shotgun has an extended magazine does not mean it's okay to load 6 rounds. The problem is compounded when a group of tacticool "operators" comes out and takes over a skeet field.

That's the way I feel as well, come out and have some fun!

 

[bmcoup]

I have lent out my shotguns to many people, but even after some of them try a proper shotgun, and shoot much better with it, they either don´t return, or they return with the same tactical shotgun, because they just won´t accept the fact that a proper shotgun will help them to improve their shooting, or they can´t afford two shotguns, and they refuse to sell the tactical gun to purchase a suitable shotgun.

Maybe the guys with the tactical shot guns mostly do 3 gun or steel plate shot gun and only do skeet when they have nothing better to do and still want to have some fun with there shotguns

 

[cosmic]

We make an effort to get new folks coming out to our range. Young folks, seniors, women of all types, handicapped, LGBT, tree huggers, liberals ..... The vast majority show up, learn the rules, and have a whale of a time. However, the odd person shows up with a bit of "tude" - unfortunately the few ones with "tude" have been of the tactical persuasion, and, I should point out, relatively inexperienced shooters.

 

[stubblejumper]

Maybe the guys with the tactical shot guns mostly do 3 gun or steel plate shot gun and only do skeet when they have nothing better to do and still want to have some fun with there shotguns

Actually the ones that I have talked to hadn't taken part in any kind of organized shooting with a shotgun. Most of them decided that they wanted a shotgun, and chse one based on looks and image, with no thought to actually shooting more than cans or zombie targets.

 

[bmcoup]

Actually the ones that I have talked to hadn't taken part in any kind of organized shooting with a shotgun. Most of them decided that they wanted a shotgun, and chse one based on looks and image, with no thought to actually shooting more than cans or zombie targets.

Good on them, they took the first step bought a gun and hopefully had fun shooting it. As long as it was done safely I'm good with that. Seen enough guys over the years buy high priced guns they didn't really like to fit in with the other guys and still couldn't hit a third of the targets. They might have been better off buying a cheaper gun that they liked and spend the money they saved on shells and range time. For me more money for ammo equals more range time equals more fun! I shoot with a few guys with the high priced over under shot guns and at the end of the day it seems that they are more pissed off that they didn't do better with such a good gun and than there's me, you couldn't wipe the smile off my face with a 20 inch barrel.

 

[stubblejumper]

Good on them, they took the first step bought a gun and hopefully had fun shooting it. As long as it was done safely I'm good with that. Seen enough guys over the years buy high priced guns they didn't really like to fit in with the other guys and still couldn't hit a third of the targets. They might have been better off buying a cheaper gun that they liked and spend the money they saved on shells and range time. For me more money for ammo equals more range time equals more fun! I shoot with a few guys with the high priced over under shot guns and at the end of the day it seems that they are more pissed off that they didn't do better with such a good gun and than there's me, you couldn't wipe the smile off my face with a 20 inch barrel.

It's not about buying a more expensive gun, it's about buying a suitable gun that fits you and is reliable.

 

[m12man]

20 inch barrel eh., exactly what type of 'targets' are you supposedly doing so good at ?

 

[Maritime Storm]

20 inch barrel eh., exactly what type of 'targets' are you supposedly doing so good at ?

Don't dismiss someone with a short gun, every once and a while a person shows up with one and can actually hit something with it. My club has 2 such older individuals who shoot a coach gun for chasing rabbits, both can run low 20's on the Skeet field, albeit they have years of practice with those guns to show for it.

 

[Claybuster]

However, the odd person shows up with a bit of "tude" - unfortunately the few ones with "tude" have been of the tactical persuasion, and, I should point out, relatively inexperienced shooters.

There does seem to be a correlation. There are many quality young people in the shooting sports but those with the "attitude" too often fall into the category of young, inexperienced and have a tactical gun. They are the shotgunning equivalent of the yahoos who show up with a case of 7.62x39 steel core, an SKS and proceed to shoot up the rifle range.

 

[ShawnC6]

Sporting clays range here has a 26" barrel minimum.

 

[mrgoat]

This seems to be the prevailing attitude at ranges these days. "I'm a big time trap/skeet/sporting clays shooter and you're not. And you suck." Those young guys (and girls) scoring that some people seem to hold in such contempt might be trap shooters one day. Probably not because they see all the old farts as miserable old coots. Who would want to be part of that. If the sport is going to continue then some younger people are going to have to be encouraged to join in.

Yes and we experienced shooters always without fail encouraged new young shooters. But if they had attitude, they always without fail had poor safety habits as well. So they either lost the attitude and corrected there safety ASAP, or they were gone ASAP. Period. No shooters and gun ranges can afford to have unsafe idiots with attitude on site.