Looking for NR "black rifle" or Green

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The Black Rifle category is always changing with new non-restricted offerings being imported. In the past I owned the classic green and liked it, I have never liked the look of the Tavor, preferring the more classic look of other rifles. Bushmaster now has the DMR and there are now Canadian built rifle.

With all the offering what is the most easy to maintain, durable, accurate offering available?
Any why should I buy it? Budget wise I would be looking between $2500-$3500 without accessories.
 
I have had all the rifles you speak of, or at least a variation of. In my case a Black Special, a Herron Arms NR Converted ACR, a Tavor, and just recently an ATRS Modern Varminter.

I dont have a round through the MV yet, so I cant speek to the reliability or accuracy, however we can include it in the features discussion.

Easiest to maintain/most durable is all except the MV in my opinion (notice I did not say experience yet, but in others experiences they have been a bit finicky, mostly with surplus ammo in its match chamber and the hard primers that don't light off with the Timney trigger).

If your talking accuracy you cant go wrong with the ACR or ATRS MV, but the Tavor is more of a short to midrange rifle and is not all that accurate (3moa) unless you shoot more premium ammo which can get it down to the 1.5moa if you do your part. The swiss I dislike because although it is accurate it is not free floated and can prove to be an issue.

Overall my favorite rifle is the Bushmaster ACR, preferably a Herron Arms (or DLASK) basic folder conversion. The factory DMR comes with the terrible heavy "enhanced forend" which is a nice way of saying "out dated, heavy, tri rail picatinny forend" and it also comes with the PRS2 stock which is non folding/quick adjustments, heavy (to counter balance the enhanced forend) and only really any good if you plan to bench the rifle, but the one upside to the DMR is the factory Geissele Super ACR trigger ($375cad value).

The herron and dlask conversions are the way to go, but unless you can find pre-owned you will need a host rifle (which is restricted) to ship to them.

As far as features ACR wins in my books, does everything the others can equally or better and adds features like the ability for tool less barrel and caliber changes.
 
I will throw the RA XCR in the mix. I currently own an xcr L key mod in 7.62x39. Always goes bang. I shoot corrosive and non through it and it's easy to disassemble and clean after corrosive. It's about a 20min process.

I like the look of the new model with the extended forend hand guard.
 
The Swiss Arms are a Rifleman's rifle.
They come with an accuracy guarantee and offer top quality none of the others out there can touch, including custom modern guns emulating the AR.
The fact the barrels are not fully floated is mostly a red hearing - shoot it how it was intended (positional shooting) and save your bench or belly mounted, bipod shooting for your bolt guns.
Dominion mags are affordable. The magazine and the operating system are the most reliable out there.
Pricing of gently used models are in line with your budget, while others like the APC and MH will break it.
 
I have A rob arms in 7.62x39 fun rifle to shoot, the only downside in my opinion is the Barrel retention bolt can loosen off causing problems. for that reason I'm looking in to the acr and apc.
 
Recent-production XCR Keymod with the light barrel, or an ACR, which can easily be converted to NR, ideally with a light-profile barrel, would be my suggestions. Both are reliable, ergonomic, reasonably accurate, and reasonably lightweight. If you don't mind the more East Block design, there is of course also the Vz platform - I'd suggest a used Cz858 over a CSA, personally, if you were to go that route.
 
1bigrn said:
The Black Rifle category is always changing with new non-restricted offerings being imported. In the past I owned the classic green and liked it, I have never liked the look of the Tavor, preferring the more classic look of other rifles. Bushmaster now has the DMR and there are now Canadian built rifle.

With all the offering what is the most easy to maintain, durable, accurate offering available?
Any why should I buy it? Budget wise I would be looking between $2500-$3500 without accessories.
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$3500 before or after tax and shipping?
New or used?
 
Brian46 said:
sorry, but the 23,000 round arizona proving ground test with zero failure of the HK G36 is likely the most reliable out there
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Ok, presuming you are not sidetracking the discussion, a non-restricted G-36 in Canada is going to cost $10k plus if you find one for sale - just a tad outside the budget. Is it going to be as accurate as a SA? Unlikely, but there is always the SL-8 which fits the OP's budget and is able to keep up with the SA. Mags for G-36 are dependable no doubt, but suffer from the same Achilles heal of bolt override failures as AR mags, whereas the SA, being a hinging in, rock in design do not.





1bigrn said:
The Black Rifle category is always changing with new non-restricted offerings being imported...With all the offering what is the most easy to maintain, durable, accurate offering available?
Any why should I buy it? Budget wise I would be looking between $2500-$3500 without accessories.
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Guys, are you really suggesting XCRs and 858s shooting 7.62x39?!?
I sometimes wonder if people if people even read threads anymore...
 
beltfed said:
Ok, presuming you are not sidetracking the discussion, a non-restricted G-36 in Canada is going to cost $10k plus if you find one for sale - just a tad outside the budget. Is it going to be as accurate as a SA? Unlikely, but there is always the SL-8 which fits the OP's budget and is able to keep up with the SA. Mags for G-36 are dependable no doubt, but suffer from the same Achilles heal of bolt override failures as AR mags, whereas the SA, being a hinging in, rock in design do not.
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G36 and SL8 share the same operating system

SL8 is capable of under 1moa shooting with factory loaded premium ammo

I have owned every version of the swiss arms in green and only one could consistently best my SL8 in accuracy was the "sniper" version which has a cost inline with a G36 on the canadian market
 
Get the roughest, toughest gun available. Swiss Arms are pretty, but you'd probably feel bad when you drop them or scuff them and that is not my attitude towards firearms. They are tools and they will get banged up in their service. I enjoy my Vz 58 and for the price you quote for the rifle alone you can get a Vz, customize the buttstock, get a rail, and an Aimpoint. You will also not feel bad for wearing off the finish. If I were in the market for a non-bullpup 5.56 then I guess APC-223 or XCR. But durability is the most important trait.
 
Cover 6 said:
For the OP and those who referenced the Swiss rifles, why did you get rid of them?
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The only reason i dumped my Swiss Arms was that after the "prohib" fiasco, I was able to resell it for a $2000 profit over my original purchase price.
I probably would be very interested in a Swiss Arms at the right price.rifle.
also, I should have mentioned I am looking for a .223/556 rifle, not a 338.
I already have several 308/7.62 platforms.
 
Cover 6 said:
For the OP and those who referenced the Swiss rifles, why did you get rid of them?
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I have had one since 2009 and have fired several thousand rounds through it. It is accurate, reliable and bomb proof. The only way it will ever leave is if/when the RCMP drops the ban hammer. Other than that I don't want anything else in the NR category period (I've shot others, meh).

The POI shift issue gets overstated. A SAN has no more POI shift than a full size AR15 with stock hand guard. I don't know what guys are doing (leaning on it maybe). And the bipod is junk, take it off and throw it in the trash, you don't need that on a service rifle anyway.

This is a Fig 12, the aiming point is the chin. There is no POI shift and this was with AE 55 (nothing special) ammo, resting the rifle on the bedside of the pickup. 10/10.



 
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