Why does everyone give the axis a hard time?

Wow, twelve days short of arguing for one calendar year over a budget rifle... :rolleyes: It is what it is... despite coming complete with cost cutting and untrustworthy crap scope it'll still go bang for the guy who can't afford a 10 let alone a Cooper or Holland and Holland. :confused: ... anyway, {yawn} or :rockOn: to your heart's content... ;)
 
galamb said:
I have one, a 223 I use for coyote's.

It does the job.

Yes, the trigger sucks compared to the two stage triggers on my Vanguards. But clipped a coil and a half from the spring and it's usable.

Yes, the bolt is sloppy compared just about all my other bolt guns.

Being just a 223 I can't speak to how the stock might react when fired if it was a 30.06 or 300 WM, but no issues with twisting etc on mine.

I filled the hollow butt end with spray foam and now it doesn't sound like an empty pop can rolling down the road in the wind whenever you bump/bang or rub it on something.

When it's in the safe it's along side another Savage, a few Weatherby's, Remington's, a Winchester, a Henry, a couple Browning's and a pair of H&R's - none of them "call it names or make fun of it".

It shoots well - certainly better than I do - I'm a hunter not a target shooter that measures accuracy in thousand's of an inch.

I'm not sure what people expect. You can find these things in the 300 to 400 dollar range - you can't expect a "Cadillac" at that price. I can buy 3 boxes of factory shells for my 257 Wby or I can buy a "whole rifle".

Not everyone has the disposable income to drop a grand on a rifle or even 700 bucks.

It's easy to say "I would never own one" if you can afford better.

What if you only had a budget of 350 bucks and owned no other guns. Would you say "I will do without until the kids move away or the wife finds a job because I would rather go without any gun at all than own an Axis".

And really, most are only comparing the Axis against other "mediocre" rifles anyhow.

If you put a Rem 700 BDL against a rifle that came out of the Browning or Weatherby custom shop, it looks and operates worse than the Axis in comparison.

It really is all perspective.
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There's always really good rifles for sale in that price range on tradex. Much better built than the axis too... For what it costs to get the axis to feel like the feel of a somewhat higher quality rifle, you might as well buy the higher quality rifle....
 
I don't listen very closely to complaints about Axis rifles. Anybody who bought them did so because they were cheap. It was never kept a secret about them being economy rifles.
Any that I have had were very accurate/useable rifles but (as stated)felt cheap. Kind of like a kids toy.
Like everything else, they have their place in the market and there is a pile of them out there!!!
 
Never understood the need to buy new junk, when quality used is readily available for the same amount of jingle.

Keeping in mind if a fellow actually shoots, the cost of ammo will quickly surpass the original cost of the rifle.

R.
 
Superbrad said:
Exactly........
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I'm sure you never shot one with the factory scope because you'd have known that the crosshair covers a deer completly at 400. Upgrading that scope would have made that shot a routine one. How about adult talk...
 
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franktank said:
I'm sure you never shot one with the factory scope because you'd have known that the crosshair covers a deer completly at 400. Upgrading that scope would have made that shot a routine one. How about adult talk...
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Adult talk goes like this:

By the time you change out the mounts, rings, stock and trigger you still have a mediocre, but now costly, rifle. The rest of us don't need to invent stories to make it more than it is.
 
heronfish said:
Adult talk goes like this:

By the time you change out the mounts, rings, stock and trigger you still have a mediocre, but now costly, rifle. The rest of us don't need to invent stories to make it more than it is.
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And that's why I didn't go that route and sold the rifle. I'm also talking with experience with this model which I really doubt you have some. I had great time with it and sub MOA is not what I'd tell mediocre. When you swap the trigger spring you get 1,2 lbs trigger pull like mine was within 15 min. When I bought that rifle money wasn't an issue, I just wanted to try the 22-250 to see if I'd like that caliber. I sold it because I want an all around deer/coyote/groundhog/crow/any freaking pest that exist on this planet and the 257 weatherby magnum is my caliber of choice. So if you have ever shot an axis ll xp or any axis at all you don't want to compare it to a F class. If so then yes it is a mediocre rifle. Compare oranges to oranges...
 
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franktank said:
I'm sure you never shot one with the factory scope because you'd have known that the crosshair covers a deer completly at 400. Upgrading that scope would have made that shot a routine one. How about adult talk...
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How about adult talk in regards to all of the things that make a rifle a "good rifle" to a gunnut?

Pros

-the axis is an entry level package...... it does it's job as such...... generally speaking, it goes bang when you pull the trigger and hits what you aim it at if dialed in properly......

-it lets people on a tight budget get into the game, and makes a capable rifle accessible to the masses or new guys wanting to join the sport..... (there are better used options IMOP, but we will leave this here)

Cons....

-Plastic mag catch..... and expensive mag...... recipe for disaster....

-Fit and finish, sure it's a cheap gun, how hard is it to include real sling studs?

-Price these days....... seriously, wtf?

This is not to mention my feelings in regards to how important my hunts are to me and what I could potentially lose by carrying an inferior rifle......
 
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And that's why I didn't go that route and sold the rifle. I'm also talking with experience with this model which I really doubt you have some. I had great time with it and sub MOA is not what I'd tell mediocre. When you swap the trigger spring you get 1,2 lbs trigger pull like mine was within 15 min. When I bought that rifle money wasn't an issue, I just wanted to try the 22-250 to see if I'd like that caliber. I sold it because I want an all around deer/coyote/groundhog/crow/any freaking pest that exist on this planet and the 257 weatherby magnum is my caliber of choice. So if you have ever shot an axis ll xp or any axis at all you don't want to compare it to a F class. If so then yes it is a mediocre rifle. Compare oranges to oranges...
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We can compare apples to apples though.
I bought my wife an axis at the same time I bought an old husqvarna 46 from trade ex.
Both guns function like they should. Both have poor triggers.
One has real bluing and hand checkering.
Now the 9.3x57 doesn't make routine shots at 400 yards, but let's give it a little credit, it's edging on 100 years old. And if I maintain it, it will be proudly owned by the next generation.

That axis. It's disposable.
 
You said your points, I said mines and at the end of the day, the guy that started this thread will have some meet to look at for pros and cons. Let's not decide for him, personally I'd never buy one again but would higly suggest it to people on a budget like you mentionned. There is several models and the entry package is appealing for a household on a budget. Any DIY guy can do a bedding job.
 
And that's exactly it. Axis' and the like, are disposable junk that are most likely going to be thrown away at the end of the day.
Why buy cheap guns, made as poorly as possible to achieve a low bottom line, when you can buy real quality guns for the same or very slightly more?
I have guns in my safe that cost me less than cheap plastic toys from cabelas, however I know without a doubt they will last beyond my lifetime and will be passed down to my family.
Myself, I would never suggest for a friend to buy an axis because there are deals out there on guns that are of far better quality for the same price range.
 
I always hear folks say "it's just a tool". Would you buy a hammer with a cardboard tube for a handle, or a crowbar made of plastic, or a screwdriver made out of gingerbread? Why not?... because it would be silly, anyone can understand that they are not going to last... you will be lucky if it ain't broken before you leave the store with it.
 
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lol you such haters i have an axis 11 with a leupold varix111 on it heavy barrel and boyds stock in 6.5 creed
it shoots amazing its very accurate even better handloaded
the accutrigger is pretty dam good
ive had timmneys that are comparable
years ago savage was not good bad quality control they have improved alot
guess thats why so much hate
i grew up with remingtons
now look at what is happening to them so in a few months people going to bash rem and say they are garbage lol
if u pay 5000 for a rifle and you are not a professional comp shooter ur a fool
 
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