Burris 4.5-14 predator or bushnell AR 4.5-18

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Just wondering what thoughts are. The bushnell is 300. The Burris is 500. The eye piece is way bigger than I wanted and the mildly is a thick black dot. The Burris is nice as well but smaller eyepiece and the mildots are thinner and easier to see everything. Thoughts and input as I want to spend less bit dont want to
Spend less and only needed to spend another 200 to have a better scope. Thanks in advance.
 
Now I might be missing something here or you are using terminology that doesn't apply to the scopes.

Both of these have BDC (Bullet Drop Compensating) Reticles, neither comes with a "mildot" option which is a whole different type of reticle - maybe a small point but just want to make sure we are talking the same language.

The Burris Predator Quest scopes are part of the Burris E1 line and they have the E1 reticle which includes windage dots. This scope is three or four steps up from their entry line and in "value for the money", in my opinion, one of the best scopes on the market at their pricepoint.

The Bushnell AR line has a simple BDC reticle with no windage dots and is on par with Bushnell's entry level scopes so closer to a Burris Fullfield II or Droptine then their E1 line.

So while I would say the Predator Quest is the "better" scope of the two and certainly worth the extra 200 bucks BUT only if you need it.

How far do you plan on shooting? Will your shooting be done during the day or fist/last light? Do you need windage compensation while trying to hit a coyote at 300 yards with a slight crosswind or will you only be shooting a steady paper target at 100 yards? What rifle do you plan on mounting this on? Will you use the scope more often at 14X then say 4 or 5?

All those questions will help determine what glass would suit you better...
 
Thanks for the info Galamb. Yes the BDC was what I should have said. Did not term it correctly. I will be mounting it on my 223 bolt. But plan on moving up to a 243 or possibly a 7mm-08 in the future.
I will be having it set up between 8 and 14 power.
Shooting will mostly be during day but not out of question alter at fist.
Most of my shooting is at coyotes. But some paper as I like to do some paper to ensure when I do go out that I am confident in my shot when needed.
Therefore would like to have a better scope to move it to later. I just look at it as when you are already spending that much I would like to have a little better quality. I still want to shoot 300 or possibly 400.
 
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Lots of choice around... don't buy the first scope you see, check a bunch out. I looked at a Burris FFII and a Nikon Prostaff 2 and Prostaff 5 and the Nikon 5 had clearer glass for me, the Burris was better than the 2.

I could be wrong, but I don't believe there is much difference between the FFII/EI/Predator Quest scope's glass, reticle and coatings would be the major differences. For the money the Burris line is pretty good.

Of course, every person's eye is different and what looks good to me, may not for you. Best to check out as many as you can.
 
Bushnell bdc only works at 18 power. I have one but only use it at the range. I find that too much magnification when hunting, and the bushnell is a heavy optic.
 
peirecce said:
Bushnell bdc only works at 18 power. I have one but only use it at the range. I find that too much magnification when hunting, and the bushnell is a heavy optic.
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So the BDC on the Bushnell only works on 18 power. Does the Burris work the same or is it better?
 
So there is second focal plane scopes (sometimes called rear focal) and first focal scopes. All of the second focal, which include all those mentioned, work according to their BDC charts when they are at "maximum" magnification.

So if you have a scope that says you zero at 100 yards (with your 308 or 223) and the hash marks are then 100 yards apart (so 200, 300, 400 etc) they "mean" that you have to be at max magnification for that to be true/close.

However, many of the mfg's have software (plus there is private software, Strelock as an example, which I use myself) that will spit out "what range" each of the BDC hashmarks will equate to at a given magnification - So if they are 100 yards apart at 14X and consistently 100 yards between hashes, at 9X on the same scope you may see something like 100 yards (center of the reticle), 232 yds (first hash), 347 yards (second hash) etc (and I'm just picking numbers out of the air here, but similar to what I see when I run the scope through my software).

Now first focal scopes or FFP's will give you the same distance/drop between hash marks no matter what magnification you set it at. But these scopes are normally two, three or four times as expensive and they are not without their downside issues. With a (normal) real focal/second focal scope, the reticle stays the same size (when viewing it) no matter what magnification you select. With FFP scopes the reticle gets larger or smaller as you adjust the magnification and some shooters find that unsettling/don't like it at low/high magnification (because sometimes the reticle is "tiny" and other times it's "gigantic") etc.

So just as an example, while you might find a Burris Fullfield II on the shelf for say 300 bucks, the E1/Predator Quest will be in 400-500 range (both second focal) if you move up to the FFP Veracity from Burris, now you are looking at a 900-1000 dollar scope, depending on the magnification range. And that's a considerable "leap" in cost (and I'm only talking cost here, because the Veracity is easily twice the scope that an E1/PQ is - so not saying "not worth it", just that the price jump is significant).
 
galamb said:
So just as an example, while you might find a Burris Fullfield II on the shelf for say 300 bucks, the E1/Predator Quest will be in 400-500 range (both second focal) if you move up to the FFP Veracity from Burris, now you are looking at a 900-1000 dollar scope, depending on the magnification range. And that's a considerable "leap" in cost (and I'm only talking cost here, because the Veracity is easily twice the scope that an E1/PQ is - so not saying "not worth it", just that the price jump is significant).
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If the OP wants Burris and a FFP, he needs a Veracity or more expensive Burris scope. I see a sponsor has one on sale for $849... Plainsight Solutions. I'd give them a shout if you know you want a Burris. When I PM'd them I was told the sale prices were still active, a couple weeks back.

200019 – Burris Predator Quest 4.5-14x42 – Ballistic Plex E1 reticle
reg price: $469
BLACK FRIDAY!!!!: $399

200636 – Burris Veracity 3-15x50 – ZeroStop – 30mm – Ballistic Plex E1 FFP reticle
reg price: $949
BLACK FRIDAY!!!!: $849

AR945184B – Bushnell AR Optics 4.5-18x40 – Drop Zone 308 BDC reticle
reg price: $299
BLACK FRIDAY!!!!: $249
 
SKIBEEDOO said:
Great info. I can't find a number or website for plainsight solutions.
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all prices in Canadian dollars.
prices do not include applicable taxes.
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there are no substitutions for the listed items.
to order: PM here on CGN, email at precisionoptics@hotmail.com, call our store at 250-747-4636, or call/text 250-991-1406.
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I don't think they have a website, this is what's listed on a post of theirs. I haven't dealt with them before, but I see a good Feedback score. Here's the ad below I was quoting from:

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...-year-on-Swaro-Zeiss-Leica?highlight=veracity
 
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