post if you think the x95 is fugly
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MY OPINION ONLY...
X95 Improvements: Bolt hold open, magazine release, charging handle angle and swivels type (& locations)
X95 Failures: Charging handle location, pistol grip angle & pistol grip "protector" angle, charging handle curve (snags), forward hand guard/grip
I see the X95 as an "Americanization" of the Isreali rifle... which prevents proper use of the rifle as intended. I will keep to my original Isreali Tavor and forgo the "American b@st@rd child" thank you.
.... but that's just my opinion.
EDIT: the only thing I would change on my 2.5 version Tavor is the charging handle angle: flat and level would be better than the upward angle.
Charging handle location is actually an improvement. ACR , APC556, SCAR , X95, MV, MH ect. ect. ect. all have the charging location in the same general area.
The Grip is another improvement and is user replaceable , the Tar21 failed in that aspect. Grip angle is all personal preference.
Seeing most people change out the Tar21 handguard to accept accessories, the X95 comes from factory ready to go. and the aftermarket world will improve on it just like the Tar21
I will admit the styling of the Tar21 is a bit nicer. But the X95 is more user friendly.
The Grip is another improvement and is user replaceable , the Tar21 failed in that aspect. Grip angle is all personal preference.
Seeing most people change out the Tar21 handguard to accept accessories, the X95 comes from factory ready to go. and the aftermarket world will improve on it just like the Tar21
I will admit the styling of the Tar21 is a bit nicer. But the X95 is more user friendly.
Bunch of shallow ingrates. Didn't your mothers ever tell you not to judge a book by it's cover?
But in all seriousness, I traded my Tavor towards the X95 strictly because I like the ergonomics such as the mag release and location of the charging handle, aesthetics had very little to do with it for me. In terms of the goofy look with a 18.6" barrel, I guess that's the price I'll have to pay to have the most spacey looking coyote rifle when I head out to the family farm.
But in all seriousness, I traded my Tavor towards the X95 strictly because I like the ergonomics such as the mag release and location of the charging handle, aesthetics had very little to do with it for me. In terms of the goofy look with a 18.6" barrel, I guess that's the price I'll have to pay to have the most spacey looking coyote rifle when I head out to the family farm.
I don't think NS would entertain that just because it jams. I'm sure they would just claim ammo. mags, or that I voided the warranty with installing the Super Sabra and Lightning Bow as unauthorized modifications. Just knowing how fast NS is with customer service I couldn't stand thinking it could be banned by the time it was ready for return whatever year that would be.
Moe
NS might be the worst company to deal with in regaeds to warranty. The jam-o-matic TNW survival rifle was a pos that could not extract a case to save its life, 6 yet NS has the balls to tell me it was ammo related lmao.
SquidMeister
CGN Regular
- Location
- New Soviet Albertistan
I'd rather hope the rifles themselves gets here sooner :/
My thoughts as well.
Having handled and shot both (and as a current owner of the TAR-21) there wasn't much to separate the two for me. To me, the X95, when compared to the TAR-21,
+ *Felt* marginally nimbler to handle
+ *Felt* slightly faster with mag changes
- Had a *perceived* cheaper build quality - much more flexing of the plastic on the sides, more apparent molding seams, greater number of visible joints
- *Felt* like the design team tried to incorporate everything into it without much consideration for form. The rifle's lines did not *feel* as homogeneous and purposeful as the original.
In short, a worthy rifle to buy as a foray into the Tavor world, but it didn't strike me as a necessary upgrade from the original unless one really really wished for the revised magazine release as the rest of the "improvements" were too subtle to be appreciated. It really felt no different than the original to handle/ shoot and I walked away after a few hundred rounds equating the X95 it to a mild face-lift rather than a new model. Appeared that the changes are made for the sake of "newness" so as to maintain relevancy in the marketplace rather than to fix a fundamental flaw in the original. YMMV.
Even so, it's just another option in the marketplace. If it appeals to you, buy it and don't worry about what the world thinks. I feel that this "hobby" has way to many people who take themselves too seriously!
+ *Felt* marginally nimbler to handle
+ *Felt* slightly faster with mag changes
- Had a *perceived* cheaper build quality - much more flexing of the plastic on the sides, more apparent molding seams, greater number of visible joints
- *Felt* like the design team tried to incorporate everything into it without much consideration for form. The rifle's lines did not *feel* as homogeneous and purposeful as the original.
In short, a worthy rifle to buy as a foray into the Tavor world, but it didn't strike me as a necessary upgrade from the original unless one really really wished for the revised magazine release as the rest of the "improvements" were too subtle to be appreciated. It really felt no different than the original to handle/ shoot and I walked away after a few hundred rounds equating the X95 it to a mild face-lift rather than a new model. Appeared that the changes are made for the sake of "newness" so as to maintain relevancy in the marketplace rather than to fix a fundamental flaw in the original. YMMV.
Even so, it's just another option in the marketplace. If it appeals to you, buy it and don't worry about what the world thinks. I feel that this "hobby" has way to many people who take themselves too seriously!
Well I have figured it out. Why all the feed jams. I was talking to the guy who sold me the M855 and M193 ammo. He sold all that ammo to me (about a thousand of each) after he sold a Remington PSS he had and didn't need any 223,556 so he sold it all to me at a great price. Not corroded or showing any signs of age. Turns out he had a trueing of the bolt to barrel and the chamber recut in the PSS. The chamber was then a bit tight chambering the factory ball he had so he took the de-priming pin out of a resizing die and ran all the ammo though it to make it smaller to fit his tight chamber! I know a bit odd. Well I got to try the ammo in a new Colt 16" this week and what do you know.... feed jams every 50 or so. Tried 80 UMC 55gr in my Tavor.... no jams. Then 40 60gr Noslers I loaded for hunting.... no jams.
Can you believe something that simple. Anyway thank you all for your support. I believe the Tavor is now not the issue and my faith is restored in the platform.
Ammo... it was that simple.
Moe
Can you believe something that simple. Anyway thank you all for your support. I believe the Tavor is now not the issue and my faith is restored in the platform.
Ammo... it was that simple.
Moe
ThatM305Guy
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- North Texas
I love my lefty Tavor and will be passing on the X95!!
The Tavor has been my favourite rifle since I laid eyes on it!!
What are running for an optical? That thing looks wild..
Having handled and shot both (and as a current owner of the TAR-21) there wasn't much to separate the two for me. To me, the X95, when compared to the TAR-21,
+ *Felt* marginally nimbler to handle
+ *Felt* slightly faster with mag changes
- Had a *perceived* cheaper build quality - much more flexing of the plastic on the sides, more apparent molding seams, greater number of visible joints
- *Felt* like the design team tried to incorporate everything into it without much consideration for form. The rifle's lines did not *feel* as homogeneous and purposeful as the original.
In short, a worthy rifle to buy as a foray into the Tavor world, but it didn't strike me as a necessary upgrade from the original unless one really really wished for the revised magazine release as the rest of the "improvements" were too subtle to be appreciated. It really felt no different than the original to handle/ shoot and I walked away after a few hundred rounds equating the X95 it to a mild face-lift rather than a new model. Appeared that the changes are made for the sake of "newness" so as to maintain relevancy in the marketplace rather than to fix a fundamental flaw in the original. YMMV.
Even so, it's just another option in the marketplace. If it appeals to you, buy it and don't worry about what the world thinks. I feel that this "hobby" has way to many people who take themselves too seriously!
What is the fundamental flaw in the original?
