how good a Norinco 1911 can become with upgrades?

vince514

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Just wondering for a friend and maybe me.

I used to buy always mid tier guns 1000-2000$ and im actually making some room in the toolbox..

I have a remington 1911(want to sell)
and coonan 1911 .357 mag(keep)

Im actually struggling to sell my 1911 because i like it alot but need money soo....

At the same time i enjoy alot making mods on my guns and making em better...

Lets say i buy a norc 1911.. how good it can become with the proper upgrades?

Of course the frame and slide will always be machined by Norinco but what about the rest?

Is this a good idea or not?

Putting lets say : another barrel(match?) , trigger? etc etc......

Advices please.
 
You can make a Norinco 1911 into what ever you want. They can be great. Just replace and upgrade which ever parts you don't like. This is my Norinco, I'm very happy with the way it runs and looks. I've also had alot of fun along the way. I've been slowly changing parts for months. Change something, try it out. Eventually it will be how you want it to be.





So far I've replaced and upgraded the following:

Fusion barrel bushing
12lb wolff recoil spring
wolff firing pin spring
STI aluminum long trigger
STI sear spring
Fiber optic front sight (off a different norinco)
Grip tape From CGN member - Shandley
VZ alien black/grey super scoop grips, magwell cut
Dawson ipsc legal magwell
EGW recoil buffer
 
The sky is the limit, and the steel in both frame and slide is actually excellent quality. One thing to remember though, is that the registration slip will always say Norinco, and that is how people see it when it comes to re sell it. My bone stock Norinco shoots almost as good as my SIG 1911 and it was one of a batch where the bluing was as good as any gun I own and the 10 yr. old that assembled it seems to have de burred it pretty good. My intention was to gut it and replace the whole works, but I will just send it away to Casey for a trigger job (some day), some nice grips and leave it at that. Again, no matter what you do to it, it will always be a Norinco
 
The recent commercial sport models are quite good. Out of the box they need a trigger job, grips and new sights. That gives you the most improvement for the $. After that it is more money for less results.

20 yards, two hands, unsupported 200 gr SWC, 6.0 gr IMR 7625
NORINCO1911TARGET1.jpg
 
1911's require expert fitting for many parts. The use of drop-in parts can mean the loosest tolerances (so they will fit anything) and therefore not optimal performance. Worst-case, you can end up with a gun that is not safe. Do your homework. A really good 1911 isn't put together randomly.
 
Nothing wrong with using Norinco frame and slide...many very good builds started this way...it's all down to finding the parts you desire and fitting them....fun times...enjoy
 
It can become very good. But the results will depend on the skill of the gunsmith doing the work. At the other end of the spectrum, they are a good, cheap gun if you want to learn to do it yourself, and if you screw up, you're only out a Norinco and whatever parts aren't salvageable. Parts are expensive though, and you could quickly spend as much on a Norinco as just buying a better 1911 to start with. Here's one of mine that started as one of the unmarked Canada Ammo ones from a few years back. The only work I had done was milling the dovetails for the sights, but I just had a local machinist make the cuts with cutters I bought.

With the tooling, parts, and the Kunhausen books, I could have bought a used STI, but I like tinkering and learning, plus I have a gun that's a bit more personal than just buying one.
Kristian
 
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1911's require expert fitting for many parts. The use of drop-in parts can mean the loosest tolerances (so they will fit anything) and therefore not optimal performance. Worst-case, you can end up with a gun that is not safe. Do your homework. A really good 1911 isn't put together randomly.

Sounds like someone is making themselves feel better about having a 'spensive one, lol. A friend handled mine and thought it was the equal of a 1500 $ 1911 that he's recently handled...dunno, could be? It's fun and accurate enough for me.
 
Maybe I'm just not as refined of a marksman as other shooters out there, but, my Norinco (Dominion Arms) 1911 does everything it is supposed to do. It shoots straight, nice trigger and feeds/functions perfectly. Not sure what or why I would upgrade it?
 
norinco frames have long been a base for the best builds do the research
a little work buffing and smoothing and upgrade peripheral parts and you have a fine pistol
at half the cost

its all in the journey
safe shooting
 
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Chi-com 1911's are not allowed entry into the United States regardless of upgrades. So, attending a US competition will leave you crying.
Sure, they are inexpensive, and I will grant you that Norinco industries has increased their quality control. Mostly due to market demand & sales, the Chi-coms want to sell (fool) as many guns as they can to finance their military.
(But) There are so many quality 1911A1 pistols being manufactured in non-communist red rat bastard countries that you have a choice.
Buy Chi-com stuff, vacation in totalitarian military gulag-prison Cuba-com countries, and stay on the Shiny-Pony, boy-socialist, road to oblivion.
 
......Lets say i buy a norc 1911.. how good it can become with the proper upgrades? Of course the frame and slide will always be machined by Norinco but what about the rest?

Is this a good idea or not?

Putting lets say : another barrel(match?) , trigger? etc etc......

Advices please.



6 years ago, a younger good buddy bought this Kotanko-customed off the EE and unfortunately, he had to take a leave from our hobby to pursue a career. He offered this Kotanko-customed Norkie Sport Two Tone to me, before he was going to list in on the EE. For the price, I stole it from him, thanking my lucky stars. If you've never seen or caressed a Kotanko custom 1911, you're missing a lot. Trigger job is as good as any I've felt using what I believe are a stock Norkie sear and hammer. Its probably got almost 2K rounds through it, so it shoots very smoothly and reliably, no FTFs or FTEs even with Truncated Cone bullets from a Lee mold.

Trigger was replaced with a Videki. Rear sight is a low-mount Champion copy of the great Bomar sights of bygone years. Front is fiber optic. Magazine well is a Smith Alexander or a very very good copy. Slide to frame fit has probably been massaged a bit but not fitted so tight as to lose reliability. Barrel to slide fit is bank vault solid. The slide and frame may have been de-horned, not sure as the blueing and chrome look original. The hammer, beavertail, safety and slide lock edges have been smoothed out as well.

Inside mating/sliding surfaces may have been stoned or polished as well because everything works satisfyingly smooth.

The bushing may have been fitted, looks original though, and barrel to bushing fit looks perfect as there are no discernible scratches or wear marks on the barrel muzzle at all.

It came with 5 Norinco mags that may have been re-worked, I am not sure, but these 5 mags are utterly reliable in this pistol.

Its got minor blueing scratches where the slide touches the dust cover. If only to show character and prove its got a couple thousand rounds experience.

I don't expect a kitchen table gunsmith to take a Norkie to this level, as machining is required to fit the rear sight. You can certainly try and learn how to do a good trigger job at least. Begin by ordering a Videki trigger and a sear jig from Brownells and a couple good GI quality spare sears in case you botch up the original sear or hammer.

You may send out your slide to a smith to machine and fit a Champion adjustable if you wish. For me a NOVAK would have been perfect and what I would have done if I had had this Norkie customed.

I would use the orignal barrel until it wears out. Accuracy is a little better than my previous Norkies. I'd say 4 inch groups at 10 meters, but that's me shooting. My pistol skills are not really a reflection of this pistol or any pistol.

Almost forgot, the grips are Colt knock-offs I picked up a long time ago, cant remember when or where.

I have trimmed down my 1911 family to just this Kotanko and a Ruger SR1911.
 
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Mostly due to market demand & sales, the Chi-coms want to sell (fool) as many guns as they can to finance their military.
(But) There are so many quality 1911A1 pistols being manufactured in non-communist red rat bastard countries that you have a choice.
Buy Chi-com stuff, vacation in totalitarian military gulag-prison Cuba-com countries, and stay on the Shiny-Pony, boy-socialist, road to oblivion.

Wow......just, wow.

Norinco can become whatever and however good you like. The real question is how much money do you have and at what point are you better off just buying at a higher price range? If building your own guns is a hobby then have at it, a Norinco is as good as any to start with.
 
They can shoot pretty good but don't expect to make your money back when you decide to sell it after. Its still a Norinco even with $500 in upgrades.
 
The recent commercial sport models are quite good. Out of the box they need a trigger job, grips and new sights. That gives you the most improvement for the $. After that it is more money for less results.

20 yards, two hands, unsupported 200 gr SWC, 6.0 gr IMR 7625
NORINCO1911TARGET1.jpg

What brand and model is that rear sight Ganderite ? Did you have to file or machine anything to make it fit?
Thanks!
 
I've shot a couple that are VERY nice guns. But I've seen a couple that are so loose that they will never be any good without some major and very non standard work done to fit the slide to the frame. So it can be a bit of a gamble. Get a well fitted slide and you are on your way. Get one with a slide fit that rattles excessively and it'll be more than even the normal peening of the rails can deal with for getting a proper fit.
 
HI; Post 14 by easy rider, The picture looks like my 1200 dollar Smith Wesson Doug Koenig. I also have a Norc that looks the same and shoots almost as well for 400 dollars. It could use a trigger job and my preferred trigger shape. I am trying to decide what to keep?
 
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