The Great Survival Rifle / Pack Rifle Experiment of 2016/17

When you started this, I was going to suggest testing a Gevarm takedown, but I very much think the cold weather test #1 would have been a failure. I find with mine, unless the "hold together" bolt is quite tight, will be totally inaccurate.
 
Awesome review. I've been considering 3 of these so now I'll wait for your results. You should see if you can sell the article to one of the mags when it's done!
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Great review. I own 2 of the 4 rifles you are testing (Henry and Chiappa). I own several 10-22s but not the take down vesion. I love how in depth you are pushing these rifle. My Henry butt cap has been smashed and cracked to pieces over the years from countless snowmobile trips and winter camps sitting in my go/bugout bag. It still shoots well in cold weather, but is far from waterproof and i dare not trust its "floatability" anymore. Im just curious as to why you are strictly using cci blasers as the test ammo. Would that be your chosen survival/pack ammo? Not mini mags, Velocitors, Stingers or Winchester Power Points. IMO the game changer would be if the chiappa was a 22 magnum. you can still run .22lr from it and way better for predator defense. I wish a video existed on accuracy of a .22lr out of a 22 mag chamber. Keep up the great testing. Cant wait to see if you come up with the "One gun to do it all" or if they all have a place for your future use.
 
Barks said:
Great review. I own 2 of the 4 rifles you are testing (Henry and Chiappa). I own several 10-22s but not the take down vesion. I love how in depth you are pushing these rifle. My Henry butt cap has been smashed and cracked to pieces over the years from countless snowmobile trips and winter camps sitting in my go/bugout bag. It still shoots well in cold weather, but is far from waterproof and i dare not trust its "floatability" anymore. Im just curious as to why you are strictly using cci blasers as the test ammo. Would that be your chosen survival/pack ammo? Not mini mags, Velocitors, Stingers or Winchester Power Points. IMO the game changer would be if the chiappa was a 22 magnum. you can still run .22lr from it and way better for predator defense. I wish a video existed on accuracy of a .22lr out of a 22 mag chamber. Keep up the great testing. Cant wait to see if you come up with the "One gun to do it all" or if they all have a place for your future use.
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i use CCI Blazer a lot because i have about 20k rounds of it.
i was in a pawn shop that was closing down and i got 4 crates at cost a couple years ago.
so ive got..... a LOT of CCI Blazer.
i make it rain CCI Blazer when i go out playing with my 22's!

i think im getting down, maybe 5-7k left.

but your right, i probably will not have these in with them for survival.
good call on that one!

i think ill continue with the Blazer for the accuracy testing because ive set that benchmark but i think ill also add a hunting round or 2 after to see if accuracy is the same with a nice hollow point.

i think i have some mini mags and some yellow jackets in stock in bulk... maybe i should grab some Velocitors???
 
None of the above, a Savage Model 24 22/410 covers all the basis of killing small to medium game and the odd two legged predator as well. Now if only they made them with foldable butt.
 
Like the test how about one on snake oil lubricants for cold weather firearm protection/operation. I have three of the rifles you tested Ar7 soso not a fan of the clunky bulky rear stock and the fact it has no front handguard.
Love the Papoose but lack of foreRm as well. Wish I could find something that would work. And I have had the barrel nut loosen off when shooting. And then the Ruger it just feels right never had a issue with the takedown mech and like the fact the magazine is flush with the stock for carrying. But my number 1 choice is my Savage 24 Camper in .22 and 20g. I find the 20g way better then the .410 but you pay for it in weight gain.
Thanks for taking the time to do this and pass it on
 
wayupnorth said:
i think when i go on days off starting tomorrow im kinda hankering to go drop my AR7 in a tub full of water to see how long it will stay afloat.
id drop the others in but they are just anchors.

should we start a online poll to see who can guess the closest as to how long the AR7 will stay afloat????

i guess either it will sink right off the bat due to no seal or stay afloat for a while with a small leak or float forever with no leak.
having played with this gun for the last month i find it hard to believe that rear butt pad seals 100% so im gonna guess it will slow leak.

my guess is 10 minutes of float time before its at the bottom of the tub.
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A tub is much smarter than dropping it off a dock. When assembled the but stays at the surface for about 3 mins before slowly going down. Unfortunately it took me about 3.5 mins to get the net. A nice American girl jumped in and got it for me. I can't swim and that water was way to cold
Stored in the stock it fares only slightly better. I tested it closer to shore
 
I have heard of old timers using diesel or kerosene to oil their guns in extreme cold. Might be because thats what was available given their situation, could be total BS though. Thoughts anyone?

By the way GREAT test so far, looking forward to the rest of it. I have all those except the AR. My papoose is a very old one that is very reliable and accurate (when the barrel is tightened on)
 
farmerbob said:
I have heard of old timers using diesel or kerosene to oil their guns in extreme cold. Might be because thats what was available given their situation, could be total BS though. Thoughts anyone?

By the way GREAT test so far, looking forward to the rest of it. I have all those except the AR. My papoose is a very old one that is very reliable and accurate (when the barrel is tightened on)
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The Soviets did this in WWII, and the Germans copied them when they realized that their high quality German gun oil froze their K98's rock solid below about -20 to-25 or so.

It was actually a "cut" oil. The Soviets would cut their gun oil with 50% diesel. This wasn't originally for cold weather performance, it was a cost saving measure (diesel is a LOT cheaper than clean refined gun oil).

The other thing to do in really cold weather is run the action dry. Increases wear and tear a bit, but how much time are you really spending outside shooting once it goes below -30?
 
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