CC in Canada..what would you carry?
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I see the advantage of retaining a mag down some rds after a tactical reload, but not an empty mag. In IDPA, deliberately shooting a gun to lock back would likely result in a FTDR (failure to do right) penalty - if the SO could prove it.
Tactically loading your mags is a no-no as all mags must contain the same number of rds and you must top load to your max capacity to begin.
Tactically loading your mags is a no-no as all mags must contain the same number of rds and you must top load to your max capacity to begin.
You are well behind the curve on IDPA rules. There is no FTDR penalty any more and round dumping if you think that was what I was alluding to was made legal in the 2015 RB version. Ir always was a very difficult call prior to the rule change. The only restriction introduced in the 2017 RB is you must be shooting at a target when you round dump. No more throwing one in the berm and calling it good. This will be common when appropriate because you can reload and re-engage on the move now while in the open. These and a few others will be covered off in my next Safety Officer Class scheduled for May/June.
No sure where the 2nd comment comes from. I have never seen a competitor load down their 2nd mag. Not sure why you would. I can't remember when I the last time I went to my third magazine shooting a stage in SSP or ESP.
When we are SOing a stage we get to know when shooters will run dry and a reload is necessary. In the US I have witnessed shooters have to many rounds in the gun by accident, which is a no, no. One advantage we have with 10 round limits on mags. There really is no advantage in downloading your 2nd and third mag. Your ammo is limited. Tuff to do make up shots if you run out of ammo, mags or are forced to do a reload because your secret plan to shoot the stage goes south early.
For Wilderness Carry I have carried a Ruger 45Colt Flat Top, or a Beretta Stampede 45Colt, or a GP-100 .357mag. BC CFO won't allow pistols I am told, anymore. I use 8.5 gr of Unique under a 255 gr Hard Cast Lead Bullet in my 45 Colt and 200 gr .lead bullet sized .358 bullets in the .357mag.
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Bob
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We teach soldiers to retain their mags. We typically adopt the mindset that we are in it for long haul and will need those mags again later. We often carry spare bulk ammo so we can reload our mags when possible. That said, if the worst happens and you end running your gun dry in front of an active target, you change mags as fast as possible and retaining the empty is a secondary concern. We will try to recover it later if possible. Losing a mag for good is frowned upon, but we also understand that sometimes it happens.
In a gun fight I wouldnt expect empty mags to ever be useful, but I wouldnt ditch a mag that had even a single round if I could help it.
As for DGUs, Lotts numbers use a lot of inference and while I respect the guy I would never rely on that 2 million number in a professional debate. Truth is the vast majority of DGUs would be under reported, with lots of reasons why someone wouldnt want to report it, so any meaningful analysis will be difficult. Based on the number of charges laid for weapons offences and violent crime, there were certainly more than 2000 armed incidents, but most of those victims would probably have been unarmed.
In Canada due to virtually non existent legal carry, the vast majority of DGUs would be criminals defending against other criminals, so obviously thats going to be very underreported as well.
As for the effectiveness of CCW based from statistical evidence, I've seen lots of people trying to use a surface level analysis of very general stats, and only a handful of credible research articles. The effectiveness of it will always be difficult because the sample sizes of available data is always so small, and human behaviour is so complex. The least we should be able to agree to is that there is no credible argument to be made that any harm of permitting CCW is greater than the benefits.
In a gun fight I wouldnt expect empty mags to ever be useful, but I wouldnt ditch a mag that had even a single round if I could help it.
As for DGUs, Lotts numbers use a lot of inference and while I respect the guy I would never rely on that 2 million number in a professional debate. Truth is the vast majority of DGUs would be under reported, with lots of reasons why someone wouldnt want to report it, so any meaningful analysis will be difficult. Based on the number of charges laid for weapons offences and violent crime, there were certainly more than 2000 armed incidents, but most of those victims would probably have been unarmed.
In Canada due to virtually non existent legal carry, the vast majority of DGUs would be criminals defending against other criminals, so obviously thats going to be very underreported as well.
As for the effectiveness of CCW based from statistical evidence, I've seen lots of people trying to use a surface level analysis of very general stats, and only a handful of credible research articles. The effectiveness of it will always be difficult because the sample sizes of available data is always so small, and human behaviour is so complex. The least we should be able to agree to is that there is no credible argument to be made that any harm of permitting CCW is greater than the benefits.
Have you registered on the idpacanada.ca website and idpa.com. The new RB Ver2 has been out since Jan. 6.
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Bob
How's peaceful Terrace? Any murders yet? How many rapes and assaults so far this year?
What is going to happen to all those guns that were stolen when someone rammed their truck through the wall of the local gun store? I bet they'll turn up at some crime scenes soon.
Most years Terrace has a murder rate of almost 10 per 100k. That is pretty dangerous, almost Chicago dangerous.... More than double the national average in America...
Yep, I'm starting to gloss over his replies... I shake my head everytime I read one.
You never shot the #### about what your first purchase would be in you won the lotto? Read a book that wasn't facts?
Yes it is the murder capital of Canada. I think we have had two in the 12 years I have lived here. As to the hunting rifles that were stolen I am sure next fall there will be a substantial number of moose murdered. See one murder last year if memory serves me right that would be about the same as what Chicago experiences every 12 hours or so. Zero on the rapes, and not sure how many fights they have had over in the trailer court. I suspect one every Friday night. You can do the math. Scary place this. I think I need to arm myself, and my wife and buy a bullet proof vest for my Miniature Schnauzer.
cadgo if you are serious you are a moron and a not to well informed moron at that. Yes up here in Canada we average around 550 murders per year. about 150 where firearms were used. The US in 2014 only had 14,249. That would be about 25 times more in number.
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Bob
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Yes it is the murder capital of Canada. I think we have had two in the 12 years I have lived here. As to the hunting rifles that were stolen I am sure next fall there will be a substantial number of moose murdered. See one murder last year if memory serves me right that would be about the same as what Chicago experiences every 12 hours or so. Zero on the rapes, and not sure how many fights they have had over in the trailer court. I suspect one every Friday night. You can do the math. Scary place this. I think I need to arm myself, and my wife and buy a bullet proof vest for my Miniature Schnauzer.
cadgo if you are serious you are a moron and a not to well informed moron at that. Yes up here in Canada we average around 550 murders per year. about 150 where firearms were used. The US in 2014 only had 14,249. That would be about 25 times more in number.
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Bob
Terrace has a murder every single year. I can post links to news stories if you would like. For a population of 10k that is a murder rate of 10 per 100k, which is atrocious. And trust me, there have already been many rapes and assaults so far this year. I have had friends in the local detachment there.
FYI personal insults are against the rules. I wasn't trying to bait you, I'm trying to point out how absurd it is that someone living in an area with double the murder rate of the USA is talking about how dangerous America is.
